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BoholDiver
Joined: 03 Oct 2009 Location: Canada
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Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 10:57 pm Post subject: |
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True, actually.
It is a tough double-edged sword for us. Many of us want to be accepted into Korea, but also, many people don't want to follow Korean culture.
I prefer my current situation in Korea.
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I just wanted to say that Koreans are harsher on each other with appearance than they are to foreigners by a LONG shot. If you speak Korean you know what I mean . . .
Once they are comfortable with you as a foreigner they will tell you frequently, as seems to have happened with the person who posted.
I do enjoy the fact that they are upfront about it. Sometimes its definitely annoying. However, obesity is a serious problem in the west and constantly reminding someone is one solution that doesn't require expensive drugs or exercise equipment. . .
thats not to say they shouldn't be more tactful. They should. But its hard to be tactful in a second language . . . |
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wiganer
Joined: 13 Jul 2010
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Posted: Sun Aug 01, 2010 3:04 pm Post subject: |
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@wiganer
Yes, I am Korean. But, may I ask, when did I say those things???
I've looked at my posting history and haven't been able to find that quote. Anyway, if it matters--I'm a Korean-American gyopo, fully fluent in Korean, and I visit every year, twice a year. I love the country, and I love my heritage. So....did I answer your question? |
Mon Jun 21, 2010 11:56 am - On this very thread - go and have a look. I haven't made it up out of thin air have I? You complete and utter genius!
So you are an American of Korean descent, which is a bit different that being a born and bred Korean who can tell posters on this board what is correct ettiquete and the mysteries of the Korean mindset. There are lots of Korean-Americans on here and they are as stumped as the rest of us half the time - join the club - you certainly not the expert you are making yourself out to be!  |
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toph
Joined: 10 Jun 2010
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Posted: Sun Aug 01, 2010 6:17 pm Post subject: |
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@wiganer
First, my reply wasn't meant to be sarcastic or cynical. I was genuinely unsure about when I had made such a statement, but I found the quote. Sorry.
Secondly, you're right, many gyopo don't know/understand the Korean culture, but listen...I'm not one of them. I've been brought up in a Korean household my entire life, and the problems that many foreigners complain about in these threads are things that occur in my daily life. So please stop with the whole "just cause you're a gyopo doesn't mean know you more than me" rant, cause I'm included in the 1000s of gyopo who is in touch with his heritage. I am fully aware of my background, and unlike most foreigners...teaching ESL wouldn't be my first time touching ground in Korea. That happened 10 years ago. I think it's amazing how you feel as if my UPBRINGING as a KOREAN does not allot me the right to talk about my culture. Interesting. I am NOT confused about Korean culture, at all. It really is funny to me that you think I am. I've lived 22 years in a Korean household...I think I've learned enough about my heritage to tell a FOREIGNER something about basic manners. But...I guess the only issue is that you're also a foreigner who seems to have "confusions" on basic Korean culture, and you're unable to accept an explanation from a Korean-American who's fully fluent in Korean, visits Korea every year, twice a year, and will move there in January. Oh well.  |
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Adventurer

Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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Posted: Sun Aug 01, 2010 6:56 pm Post subject: |
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I once met a Korean fellow from on-line who complained about how many foreigners were rude and this and that. I had some grey hair, and he laughed and made fun of me for having grey hair. I was shocked to the point that I didn't know what to say. I will tell you this, that it gave me a very bad impression of the country rather quickly. It may or may not be okay for them to do that to their fellow Koreans, but someone needs to tell them it's not acceptable to say it to foreigners of any background.
I can't really believe that Koreans would like someone to call them fat.
It's not flattering to call any human being fat. I remember a friend of mine who was married to a Korean, and she was called fat, and she was upset about it, and he got into a fight over it. The woman was raised in Korea, and is Korean and was upset.
I remember I went for a job interview at an important Suwon high school, supposedly one of the best schools in South Korea. The director of the English department invited me and this pregnant teacher to the lunch.
I am gracious that he paid for the lunch, but he commented about how fat the pregnant teacher looked. I didn't know she was pregnant, but then found out or figured out. That's one reason I didn't take the job, and they also kept my paperwork and passport too long as if I didn't matter and took their jolly old time to sign things and ignored Korean Immigration law because they were connected. |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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Posted: Sun Aug 01, 2010 7:39 pm Post subject: |
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toph: Do you live in Korea? If not, then you live in a Korean household outside of Korea; in other words, it's not what we face here (here being Korea) and you certainly don't live inside the house 24 by 7. By the way, there are plenty of posters here who have lived in Korea longer than you've been alive. Care to guess how they'll react to some gyopo who doesn't even reside in Korea lecturing them on the place where said foreigner has lived more than 22 years? |
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NYC_Gal

Joined: 08 Dec 2009
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Posted: Sun Aug 01, 2010 8:11 pm Post subject: |
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@Toph:
A Korean household doesn't prepare you for the reality that is Korean strangers. You learned from family. Try having complete strangers commenting on everything you do.
@Itaewonguy:
You type like English isn't your first language.
@everyone else:
Tell the rude strangers that their faces are very big, and I second the "You eat like pig" comment. |
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nfld_chingu
Joined: 29 Jun 2009
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Posted: Sun Aug 01, 2010 9:27 pm Post subject: Re: Do Koreans really enjoy being criticized? |
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Captain Corea wrote: |
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nfld_chingu wrote: |
I am about 15 lbs. overweight. I go to the gym and watch what I eat in an effort to change this. I do need to lose weight but I'm not obese; in Canada I think I looked normal and was treated normally, but I guess in Korea all people can see is fat. Korean culture is very thin-obsessed, way more than N. American culture. |
Funny, beacause I think that N American culture is far too accepting of obesity. |
I agree with you, actually. I work out and try to cut back on eating junk food because I don't want to be obese. Also, I am slightly overweight, I am not obese. There is a difference. Also, I don't think I should be forced to discuss my body with complete strangers. It makes me feel uncomfortable. That was my point all along. |
Agreed. Your business is your business.
Funy though, you are sharing it on here.  |
I had a feeling you were going to say something like that. I posted this to vent, as many people do on Dave's, and also to get some advice on how to handle the unsolicited advice and comments of strangers; I didn't come here to talk about my body. Also, when it's anonymous it's not exactly the same thing. |
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toph
Joined: 10 Jun 2010
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Posted: Sun Aug 01, 2010 10:51 pm Post subject: |
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@NYC
"A Korean household doesn't prepare you for the reality that is Korean strangers. You learned from family. Try having complete strangers commenting on everything you do."
A Korean UPBRINGING prepares me for the "reality" of the Korean culture. Strangers are strangers the world over...
Like I've said before, I go to Korea every year, twice a year. I've had random Koreans talk to me like they knew me since birth, and I've had random Koreans tell me there were things wrong with my face. These words bother me, yeah...but I understand that it's supposed to be expected. Also, I know my boundaries IN Korean society (as I'm Korean, and I know the culture) so I know when I'm allowed to criticize back (which seems to be the problem that most foreigners face). So that's why I have no problem with it.
@centralcali
No, I don't live in Korea. But I'm going to move there in January (not just as an ESL teacher, but as an official move). Also, please direct me to those foreigners that have been in Korea for more than 22 years. I would like to hear their opinions on this matter (this is not sarcastic by the way). Lastly, according to your logic...I would be able to pack and move to Thailand right now, and if I stayed for a certain amount of time (what's the minimum: 5 years? 7 years? 10?) I'd have better knowledge in Thai culture than a Thai-American would? Even if that Thai-American was born into a traditional Thai household, spoke Thai his entire life, had Thai friends, attended a Thai church, visited Thailand every year, understood deep cultural Thai traditions, etc? Ahh...I see. Well, I guess that means my upbringing, frequent vacations to Korea, fluency in Korean, knowledge in deep Korean culture, etc account for nothing then. |
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Junior

Joined: 18 Nov 2005 Location: the eye
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Posted: Sun Aug 01, 2010 11:07 pm Post subject: |
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toph wrote: |
Also, please direct me to those foreigners that have been in Korea for more than 22 years. I would like to hear their opinions . |
You need to PM Captain Kirk. |
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BoholDiver
Joined: 03 Oct 2009 Location: Canada
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Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 6:41 am Post subject: |
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I didn't know Thais were Christians. |
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toph
Joined: 10 Jun 2010
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 9:39 am Post subject: |
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toph wrote: |
@centralcali
No, I don't live in Korea. |
Then you really have no clue at all about living here as a resident. Furthewrmore, you did not have a Korean upbringing. Your parents (assuming they're the one who immigrated) did. You had an American upbringing.
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But I'm going to move there in January (not just as an ESL teacher, but as an official move). |
What the heck is that supposed to mean? Those of us working here as teachers aren't "officially here"? Now, if you mean that you're going to notify the Korean government that you're residing in Korea and, if male and registered on your family register in Korea, you'll find out what "officialdom" has in store for you!
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Also, please direct me to those foreigners that have been in Korea for more than 22 years. |
You shouldn't have any problem finding them. You'll find some on television, some teaching at universities, some teaching at hagweons, some working in their own business, etc.
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I would like to hear their opinions on this matter (this is not sarcastic by the way). |
The rest of the post quoted below is certainly sarcastic, not to mention asinine.
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Lastly, according to your logic...I would be able to pack and move to Thailand right now, and if I stayed for a certain amount of time (what's the minimum: 5 years? 7 years? 10?) I'd have better knowledge in Thai culture than a Thai-American would? Even if that Thai-American was born into a traditional Thai household, spoke Thai his entire life, had Thai friends, attended a Thai church, visited Thailand every year, understood deep cultural Thai traditions, etc? Ahh...I see. Well, I guess that means my upbringing, frequent vacations to Korea, fluency in Korean, knowledge in deep Korean culture, etc account for nothing then. |
That's not at all what I said. What I said is there are people here who have lived in Korea longer than you've been alive. Because they're not Korean, it is you who dismisses their experience and knowledge--knowledge gained over more time than you've been exposed to Korean culture. Now, if you'd lived in Thailand for five years, then you'd have more knowledge of the culture than a Thai-American less than five years of age. If you'd lived in Thailand longer than, say, 22 years, of course you'd have more knowledge of the country than a Thai-American less than 22 years of age. And that's especially true if that Thai-American didn't ever reside in Thailand, but merely took vacations to the country.
Got it now?
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Stalin84
Joined: 30 Dec 2009 Location: Haebangchon, Seoul
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Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 10:42 am Post subject: |
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Adventurer wrote: |
I remember I went for a job interview at an important Suwon high school, supposedly one of the best schools in South Korea. The director of the English department invited me and this pregnant teacher to the lunch.
I am gracious that he paid for the lunch, but he commented about how fat the pregnant teacher looked. I didn't know she was pregnant, but then found out or figured out. That's one reason I didn't take the job, and they also kept my paperwork and passport too long as if I didn't matter and took their jolly old time to sign things and ignored Korean Immigration law because they were connected. |
Weird, you might have been applying at the last school I worked at before I left (if it was this spring), in which case it's possible that I interviewed you... are you British? Sorry for being random!
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I didn't know Thais were Christians. |
If you didn't believe what toph said about living in Korea for a long time, there is your proof right there. One of the cultural norms in Korea that I always found exceedingly rude was that of how Korean Christians like to assume everyone (including fellow Koreans) is A) a Christian or B) just someone who hasn't been "shown the light" yet. There is no room for simply choosing a different path; you're either a fanatical Christian or you're a lost puppy because apparently no one who has been told about Jesus could possibly go in a different direction... |
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wiganer
Joined: 13 Jul 2010
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Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 1:10 pm Post subject: |
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toph wrote: |
@wiganer
First, my reply wasn't meant to be sarcastic or cynical. I was genuinely unsure about when I had made such a statement, but I found the quote. Sorry.
Secondly, you're right, many gyopo don't know/understand the Korean culture, but listen...I'm not one of them. I've been brought up in a Korean household my entire life, and the problems that many foreigners complain about in these threads are things that occur in my daily life. So please stop with the whole "just cause you're a gyopo doesn't mean know you more than me" rant, cause I'm included in the 1000s of gyopo who is in touch with his heritage. I am fully aware of my background, and unlike most foreigners...teaching ESL wouldn't be my first time touching ground in Korea. That happened 10 years ago. I think it's amazing how you feel as if my UPBRINGING as a KOREAN does not allot me the right to talk about my culture. Interesting. I am NOT confused about Korean culture, at all. It really is funny to me that you think I am. I've lived 22 years in a Korean household...I think I've learned enough about my heritage to tell a FOREIGNER something about basic manners. But...I guess the only issue is that you're also a foreigner who seems to have "confusions" on basic Korean culture, and you're unable to accept an explanation from a Korean-American who's fully fluent in Korean, visits Korea every year, twice a year, and will move there in January. Oh well.  |
You aren't Korean in the sense of the people we deal every day. A lot of Koreans are very nationalistic and anti-American, are you? A lot of Koreans think black people are physically and culturally inferior, do you?
Some are even scared of black people, are you? Can you handle the fact that not everyone enjoys Korean food and that tastes vary? Are you against mixed race dating and believe that Koreans should keep the han race pure? Do you hate the Japanese?
I am not saying every Korean agrees with the selection of the above statements but a lot of the above thoughts and beliefs prevail in the collective mindset of the Korean pysche. As an American, I am sure you don't think black or white people are inferior and I am sure you don't care wherever someone doe or does not like Korean food, nor would you laugh or ignore someone who tried to speak Korean to you. You are certainly an American first and a Korean second and you will find this out once you get there.
We have loads of gyopos on the board and some of them even with Korean military service behind them have trouble getting to grips with the culture. Wait till you get here before giving us the sermon on the place. |
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BoholDiver
Joined: 03 Oct 2009 Location: Canada
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Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 3:51 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for the link. 0.8% of the population.
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