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Kepler
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 Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 9:44 pm Post subject: British girls undergo horror of genital mutilation |
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"Female circumcision will be inflicted on up to 2,000 British schoolgirls during the summer holidays � leaving brutal physical and emotional scars. Yet there have been no prosecutions against the practice."
"Like any 12-year-old, Jamelia was excited at the prospect of a plane journey and a long summer holiday in the sun. An avid reader, she had filled her suitcases with books and was reading Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban when her mother came for her. 'She said, "You know it's going to be today?" I didn't know exactly what it would entail but I knew something was going to be cut. I was made to believe it was genuinely part of our religion.'
"She went on: 'I came to the living room and there were loads of women. I later found out it was to hold me down, they bring lots of women to hold the girl down. I thought I was going to be brave so I didn't really need that. I just lay down and I remember looking at the ceiling and staring at the fan.
" 'I don't remember screaming, I remember the ridiculous amount of pain, I remember the blood everywhere, one of the maids, I actually saw her pick up the bit of flesh that they cut away 'cause she was mopping up the blood. There was blood everywhere.' "
http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2010/jul/25/female-circumcision-children-british-law |
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recessiontime
Joined: 21 Jun 2010
Location: Got avatar privileges nyahahaha
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| Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 9:53 pm Post subject: |
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we can't judge another person's religion and all cultures are equal. Nobody is right or wrong 
yay for multiculturalism woot woot
/sarcasm |
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Italy37612
Joined: 25 Jan 2010
Location: Somewhere
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| Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 10:03 pm Post subject: |
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| WTF is wrong with people... |
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young_clinton
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| Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 10:42 pm Post subject: |
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| recessiontime wrote: |
we can't judge another person's religion and all cultures are equal. Nobody is right or wrong
yay for multiculturalism woot woot
/sarcasm |
I almost missed the sarcasm in the post |
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NYC_Gal
Joined: 08 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 10:49 pm Post subject: |
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Some cultures are more than wrong--they're criminal.
Thank Darwin my great grandparents got out of the middle east when they did. |
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bacasper
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| Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 11:17 pm Post subject: |
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Genital cutting is torture and is not only done on British schoolgirls. Every year thousands of American male neonates are also subjected to this barbaric, inhumane trauma WITHOUT anaesthesia while being strapped to a board having to endure agonizing pain.
Circumcision is only rarely medically indicated. Otherwise, it is torture, especially in the case of non-consenting children.
From The Lancet:
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| For instance, Stang et al1 found that an injection of lignocaine hydrochloride reduced the plasma cortisol concentration slightly, but left the babies with a concentration of 331 nmol/L, whereas a contented child at rest has a plasma cortisol concentration of 28-138 nmol/L. Benini et al2 found that EMLA (lignocaine/prilocaine local anaesthetic cream) could only reduce the circumcised child's heart rate from 180 to 160 beats a minute. No infant's heart should beat at 160 beats a minute, nor should his plasma cortisol concentration be 331 nmol/L. These rates are consistent with torture. With or without anaesthesia, circumcision will cause the psychoneural damage found by Taddio et al. |
From Journal of Law and Medicine:
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| Female genital mutilation constitutes a common law assault. |
From Dr. James Prescott writing in Pediatrics:
GENITAL MUTILATION OF CHILDREN IS TORTURE
Don't believe me? Watch one here. I could not watch it till the end.
From the Universal Declaration on Circumcision, Excision, and Incision
Please read and sign The Ashley Montagu Resolution to End the Genital Mutilation of Children Worldwide. |
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NYC_Gal
Joined: 08 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 11:31 pm Post subject: |
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| bacasper wrote: |
Genital cutting is torture and is not only done on British schoolgirls. Every year thousands of American male neonates are also subjected to this barbaric, inhumane trauma WITHOUT anaesthesia while being strapped to a board having to endure agonizing pain.
Circumcision is only rarely medically indicated. Otherwise, it is torture, especially in the case of non-consenting children.
From The Lancet:
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| For instance, Stang et al1 found that an injection of lignocaine hydrochloride reduced the plasma cortisol concentration slightly, but left the babies with a concentration of 331 nmol/L, whereas a contented child at rest has a plasma cortisol concentration of 28-138 nmol/L. Benini et al2 found that EMLA (lignocaine/prilocaine local anaesthetic cream) could only reduce the circumcised child's heart rate from 180 to 160 beats a minute. No infant's heart should beat at 160 beats a minute, nor should his plasma cortisol concentration be 331 nmol/L. These rates are consistent with torture. With or without anaesthesia, circumcision will cause the psychoneural damage found by Taddio et al. |
From Journal of Law and Medicine:
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| Female genital mutilation constitutes a common law assault. |
From Dr. James Prescott writing in Pediatrics:
GENITAL MUTILATION OF CHILDREN IS TORTURE
Don't believe me? Watch one here. I could not watch it till the end.
From the Universal Declaration on Circumcision, Excision, and Incision
Please read and sign The Ashley Montagu Resolution to End the Genital Mutilation of Children Worldwide. |
Which babies are strapped to boards and circumcised without anesthesia? I am against circumcision unless medically necessary, of course, but what hospitals do it this way?
Even my cousin's briss didn't involve him being strapped to a board. His mom held him. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 11:45 pm Post subject: |
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| NYC_Gal wrote: |
| bacasper wrote: |
Genital cutting is torture and is not only done on British schoolgirls. Every year thousands of American male neonates are also subjected to this barbaric, inhumane trauma WITHOUT anaesthesia while being strapped to a board having to endure agonizing pain.
Circumcision is only rarely medically indicated. Otherwise, it is torture, especially in the case of non-consenting children.
From The Lancet:
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| For instance, Stang et al1 found that an injection of lignocaine hydrochloride reduced the plasma cortisol concentration slightly, but left the babies with a concentration of 331 nmol/L, whereas a contented child at rest has a plasma cortisol concentration of 28-138 nmol/L. Benini et al2 found that EMLA (lignocaine/prilocaine local anaesthetic cream) could only reduce the circumcised child's heart rate from 180 to 160 beats a minute. No infant's heart should beat at 160 beats a minute, nor should his plasma cortisol concentration be 331 nmol/L. These rates are consistent with torture. With or without anaesthesia, circumcision will cause the psychoneural damage found by Taddio et al. |
From Journal of Law and Medicine:
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| Female genital mutilation constitutes a common law assault. |
From Dr. James Prescott writing in Pediatrics:
GENITAL MUTILATION OF CHILDREN IS TORTURE
Don't believe me? Watch one here. I could not watch it till the end.
From the Universal Declaration on Circumcision, Excision, and Incision
Please read and sign The Ashley Montagu Resolution to End the Genital Mutilation of Children Worldwide. |
Which babies are strapped to boards and circumcised without anesthesia? I am against circumcision unless medically necessary, of course, but what hospitals do it this way?
Even my cousin's briss didn't involve him being strapped to a board. His mom held him. |
Check the link I gave to watch one (if you can stomach it). |
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nautilus
Joined: 26 Nov 2005
Location: Je jump, Tu jump, oui jump!
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| Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 4:24 am Post subject: |
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| NYC_Gal wrote: |
Thank Darwin my great grandparents got out of the middle east when they did. |
I didn't realise chimps had ever migrated out of Africa...
Ask them if they were smuggled out by zoo-collectors. |
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Leon
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| Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 5:30 am Post subject: |
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| I agree it's terrible, but would there be outrage if it was done when they were babies? Male circumcision is pretty horrific, but isn't culturally taboo, and the Jews consider it a part of their religion. |
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itaewonguy
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| Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 5:59 am Post subject: |
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see how easy it is to brainwash people! amazing...
people will believe most things..governments know this... |
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djsmnc
Joined: 20 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 6:08 am Post subject: |
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| Leon wrote: |
| I agree it's terrible, but would there be outrage if it was done when they were babies? Male circumcision is pretty horrific, but isn't culturally taboo, and the Jews consider it a part of their religion. |
Circumcision is also a precautionary measure for cleanliness, misguided as it may or may not be, but is not done to prevent stimulation and natural human enjoyment/pleasure in adulthood.
I don't know why they don't just cut off all the mens' bits as well and stop reproducing altogether! OK, that may be wrong to say, but really, is it? |
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NYC_Gal
Joined: 08 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 8:48 pm Post subject: |
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Thank Darwin my great grandparents got out of the middle east when they did. |
I didn't realise chimps had ever migrated out of Africa...
Ask them if they were smuggled out by zoo-collectors. |
Actually, they went to the states on vacation and liked it, so sent for their things.
Go read a NONFICTION book.
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NYC_Gal
Joined: 08 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 8:50 pm Post subject: |
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I can't watch the cutting of flesh. I couldn't watch my cousin do it (I was angry that I had to even GO to the ceremony!) but I did see that his mom was holding him. It's terrible if they do strap babies, but I've never heard of it happening in the west. There are moms and nurses for that.
Circumcision should only be performed when medically necessary (which isn't very often at all). |
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jvalmer
Joined: 06 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 9:00 pm Post subject: |
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| If I ever have a son I plan on getting him circumcised. |
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