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crossmr



Joined: 22 Nov 2008
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 4:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pkang0202 wrote:
Anyday now I'm waiting for Apple to update the iPhones "over the air" and brick all the ones that are jailbroken.


Kinda like when Microsoft brings down the Ban hammer on Xbox Live. Or when Blizzard does the same with WoW accounts.

They wait until they get as many people as possible and then drop the hammer at one time.

A lot of people would be pissed, but then again, Apple did make it blatantly clear they don't want people to jailbreak.


Apple has no choice. There was just a court decision in the US that said Jailbreaking was legal. If apple did that I suspect they'd be in a world of trouble.
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mishlert



Joined: 13 Mar 2003
Location: On the 3rd rock from the sun

PostPosted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 7:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

crossmr wrote:
pkang0202 wrote:
Anyday now I'm waiting for Apple to update the iPhones "over the air" and brick all the ones that are jailbroken.


Kinda like when Microsoft brings down the Ban hammer on Xbox Live. Or when Blizzard does the same with WoW accounts.

They wait until they get as many people as possible and then drop the hammer at one time.

A lot of people would be pissed, but then again, Apple did make it blatantly clear they don't want people to jailbreak.


Apple has no choice. There was just a court decision in the US that said Jailbreaking was legal. If apple did that I suspect they'd be in a world of trouble.

Wrong. The ruling states that it is not against the law now to jailbreak your iPhone, iPod Touch or iPad. It does not say that Apple cannot brick your device as per their UELA:

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"Apple strongly cautions against installing any software that hacks the OS," Apple says in a bulletin on its support forum.

"It is also important to note that unauthorized modification of the iOS is a violation of the Phone end-user license agreement and because of this, Apple may deny service for an iPhone, iPad, or iPod touch that has installed any unauthorized software,"

http://www.informationweek.com/news/hardware/handheld/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=226500146

http://www.google.com/search?q=iphone+4.0+eula+and+bricking&btnG=Search&hl=en&sa=2
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crossmr



Joined: 22 Nov 2008
Location: Hwayangdong, Seoul

PostPosted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 10:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mishlert wrote:
crossmr wrote:
pkang0202 wrote:
Anyday now I'm waiting for Apple to update the iPhones "over the air" and brick all the ones that are jailbroken.


Kinda like when Microsoft brings down the Ban hammer on Xbox Live. Or when Blizzard does the same with WoW accounts.

They wait until they get as many people as possible and then drop the hammer at one time.

A lot of people would be pissed, but then again, Apple did make it blatantly clear they don't want people to jailbreak.


Apple has no choice. There was just a court decision in the US that said Jailbreaking was legal. If apple did that I suspect they'd be in a world of trouble.

Wrong. The ruling states that it is not against the law now to jailbreak your iPhone, iPod Touch or iPad. It does not say that Apple cannot brick your device as per their UELA:

Quote:
"Apple strongly cautions against installing any software that hacks the OS," Apple says in a bulletin on its support forum.

"It is also important to note that unauthorized modification of the iOS is a violation of the Phone end-user license agreement and because of this, Apple may deny service for an iPhone, iPad, or iPod touch that has installed any unauthorized software,"

http://www.informationweek.com/news/hardware/handheld/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=226500146

http://www.google.com/search?q=iphone+4.0+eula+and+bricking&btnG=Search&hl=en&sa=2


and I've read quite a few stories that suggest EULAs won't really stand up. When it comes down to a fight between untested EULAs and a supreme court decision I know which one I'd bank on.
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mishlert



Joined: 13 Mar 2003
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 10:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

crossmr wrote:
mishlert wrote:
crossmr wrote:
pkang0202 wrote:
Anyday now I'm waiting for Apple to update the iPhones "over the air" and brick all the ones that are jailbroken.


Kinda like when Microsoft brings down the Ban hammer on Xbox Live. Or when Blizzard does the same with WoW accounts.

They wait until they get as many people as possible and then drop the hammer at one time.

A lot of people would be pissed, but then again, Apple did make it blatantly clear they don't want people to jailbreak.


Apple has no choice. There was just a court decision in the US that said Jailbreaking was legal. If apple did that I suspect they'd be in a world of trouble.

Wrong. The ruling states that it is not against the law now to jailbreak your iPhone, iPod Touch or iPad. It does not say that Apple cannot brick your device as per their UELA:

Quote:
"Apple strongly cautions against installing any software that hacks the OS," Apple says in a bulletin on its support forum.

"It is also important to note that unauthorized modification of the iOS is a violation of the Phone end-user license agreement and because of this, Apple may deny service for an iPhone, iPad, or iPod touch that has installed any unauthorized software,"

http://www.informationweek.com/news/hardware/handheld/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=226500146

http://www.google.com/search?q=iphone+4.0+eula+and+bricking&btnG=Search&hl=en&sa=2


and I've read quite a few stories that suggest EULAs won't really stand up. When it comes down to a fight between untested EULAs and a supreme court decision I know which one I'd bank on.

None of this changes the fact that because of its EULA Apple can brick your iPhone for jailbreaking it even though it's legal to do so; you agree to the terms so that if you complain, Apple will just say that you were warned.
It all comes down to economics. Apple makes 30% off all sales, so if you get an app from somewhere else on your jailbroken iPhone Apple makes 0%.
Hey, I'm all for jailbreaking and modding, but if you get caught it's not like you don't know what the consequences will be; Apple, and other companies have made very public warnings about it.
Back to the OP, I read on Engadget that at the moment
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Comex reports that iPads running iOS 3.2.1 aren't presently working properly, and that MMS problems after jailbreak are a known issue.

http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/01/official-iphone-4-jailbreak-hits-from-iphone-dev-team/
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crossmr



Joined: 22 Nov 2008
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 11:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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None of this changes the fact that because of its EULA Apple can brick your iPhone for jailbreaking it even though it's legal to do so; you agree to the terms so that if you complain, Apple will just say that you were warned.
It all comes down to economics. Apple makes 30% off all sales, so if you get an app from somewhere else on your jailbroken iPhone Apple makes 0%.
Hey, I'm all for jailbreaking and modding, but if you get caught it's not like you don't know what the consequences will be; Apple, and other companies have made very public warnings about it.

The point is if the EULA doesn't stand up, the warnings were meaningless, this is the reason Apple won't do it. Their EULA is untested, if they were to try and nuke all jail broken devices, there is a good chance they'd get sued, and likely a class-action suit. It would put their EULA front and center and that is a big risk when there have been plenty of lawyers state that EULAs are on shaky ground.
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mishlert



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 1:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wait a minute. We are discussing something does not affect us here in Korea because we don't know what the laws are here for jailbreaking.
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crossmr



Joined: 22 Nov 2008
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 1:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mishlert wrote:
Wait a minute. We are discussing something does not affect us here in Korea because we don't know what the laws are here for jailbreaking.


Yes, but as Apple is mainly a US company on something like nuking iPhones they are likely to adopt a global policy. It would be difficult to choose to nuke only Japanese ipods for example. Just because an ipod was bought in Japan doesn't mean it is in Japan (like mine for example). I find it extremely unlikely that Apple would ever try and do that. They'd be shooting themselves in the foot PR wise. That antenna thing didn't go over quite as well as they wanted and they might realize they're not totally invulnerable.
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aphase



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 5:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

wow kind of off topic huh? Well guys it doesn't even matter because the over the air updates aren't OS updates, they are simply carrier files. The OS itself can't be updated over the air.. Carrier files are pretty easy to replace through itunes, and i find it highly doubtful that apple would use a carrier file to "brick" an iphone when it would be so easy to replace the carrier file with a working one.

Some of you may remember that I was able to re-enable the "Find My iPhone" feature for korean iphones, it wasn't that hard at all.

Oh and by the way, for those of you that updated to OS 4 and would still like to use "FindMyIphone" simply replace the carrier file with the same one i posted a long time ago. It seems now that iOS4 will ask to update the carrier file once in awhile if you replace it with my edited one, but all you have to do is ignore it and click cancel. I'm not exactly sure how it's detecting that my carrier file is different, but i'm working on it. For now thats a temporary solution.

EDIT: I found a way to make the edited carrier file stick, and the iphone no longer bugs about updating to an un-edited file. I'll write up the method tomorrow.
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movybuf



Joined: 01 Jan 2007
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 4:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I ran this on my 3GS running iOS4 and it worked great. It took less than 10 minutes to finish everything. I spent the whole day trying to get my phone looking the way I wanted with new icons and fonts. Then suddenly, it said something like "springboard has crashed" and my phone went into safe mode. I followed all the steps it said to fix the problem but nothing worked. I got fed up with trying and I just reset the whole phone. I wanted to put iOS4 back on, but it automatically downloaded the 4.1 (is that what it's called?) and restored my phone. Now I can't jailbreak again until they come out with one for the 4.1 upgrade. I am a complete novice with this kind of stuff, and this was my first time jailbreaking an apple product. However, other than having different looking icons, I didn't see what the major benefit was to jailbreaking. Am I missing something?
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aphase



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 5:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

iOS 4.1 isn't released yet, you must mean 4.0.1? If that's the case, it IS jailbreakable. The jailbreak supports up to 4.0.1.

The benefit is being able to add features, or apps that apple doesn't approve of. Also, it makes your phone unlockable via Ultrasn0w, in case you want to use your phone abroad (for example, when you decide to move back to your home country.

As to why your phone crashed, I don't know, but I been running the jailbreak since it's been released and my phones been fine.
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JungMin



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 6:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I jailbroke my phone but then later restore to 4.0.1 because I needed to use the banking app. I just noticed today that I am unable to send/receive MMS. There isn't even an option to turn MMS on/off in the settings as in previous iOS versions.

Anyone else have the same issue??
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aphase



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 5:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Try restoring your phone without reinstalling the backup of your phone information.
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movybuf



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 4:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a question about customizing the look of my phone. I asked this on the ipodtouchfans forum, but nobody answered me. Let me just copy and paste what I asked.

I want to change the stock icons on my phone, but the ones I see on cydia don't look good. I don't want an entire theme, because I want to be able to pick the main screen wallpaper.

I saw a lot of cool looking icon sets when I googled "icon sets for iPhone." However, I don't know how to download and install them. What am I doing wrong? Is there a repository I can use on cydia that has a lot of icon sets?

I'm pretty much a novice when it comes to doing this stuff. I just jailbroke my phone yesterday, so I'm still learning how things work. Thanks!
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tatertot



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 1:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

crossmr wrote:
ugh..
this is annoying.
If I jailbreak it.. I can't run my KEB application. It no longer trusts the platform.
So just a heads up if you are using your Korean banks iPhone app you might not be able to use it if you jailbreak it.


What is the name of the KEB application? I think that it might be a simple check that could easily be overridden with a mobile substrate plugin. If you give me the name, I'll download it and see if I can write up the plugin.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 2:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

tatertot wrote:
crossmr wrote:
ugh..
this is annoying.
If I jailbreak it.. I can't run my KEB application. It no longer trusts the platform.
So just a heads up if you are using your Korean banks iPhone app you might not be able to use it if you jailbreak it.


What is the name of the KEB application? I think that it might be a simple check that could easily be overridden with a mobile substrate plugin. If you give me the name, I'll download it and see if I can write up the plugin.

Just search for "KEB" you should find it. It's got the KEB bank logo on the icon. KEB letters with a blue and red thing that looks like maybe wings or something
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