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NYC_Gal
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| What's your reasoning behind that decision? Just out of curiosity. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 1:32 am Post subject: |
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| If I ever have a son I plan on getting him circumcised. |
Have you ever seen a circumcision? Did you watch the video? Why would you want to torture your son like that? Are you a sadist?
And just to make sure you have informed consent (although your son unfortunately cannot), here are the risks;
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Yes. Like any other surgery, circumcision has risks. They include:
* Excessive bleeding
* Infection
* Complications from anesthesia
* Surgical mistakes, including loss of glans and loss of entire *beep*
* Death
Many circumcised males suffer from:
* Extensive scarring
* Skin tags and skin bridges
* Tearing and bleeding at the scar site
* Curvature of the *beep*
* Tight, painful erections
* Difficulty ejaculating
* Impotence
* Feelings of having been violated
* Feelings of having been mutilated
All circumcised males lose some or most of the sensitivity in their glans and all of the sensitivity in their foreskin.
Circumcision may have risks and complications not yet recognized or understood. |
I can't recommend that you risk your son's life or health. Also, you realize that the tragedy of the John/Joan case, or "the boy raised as a girl," was the result of a botched circumcision, right?
Why not let your son make his own decision when he is old enough to do so? The foreskin normally adheres to the glans after birth, only gradually becoming separated during childhood. To circumcise, the doctor or mohel must insert an instrument to tear away the foreskin from the glans. This causes excruciating pain. I'd really appreciate it if you thought it over.
Also, if you are American, there is a legal movement afoot to prohibit male genital mutilation just as female genital mutilation is on the grounds that its failure to apply it to males violates the equal protection clause. Hopefully you won't have any sons until that is in place. |
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jvalmer
Joined: 06 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 6:15 am Post subject: |
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| NYC_Gal wrote: |
| What's your reasoning behind that decision? Just out of curiosity. |
I was cut later in childhood, when I was around 8 years old. However, I plan on getting any future son cut as an infant. It's a family thing.
bacasper, if you're so concerned, you do realize over 90% of Korean males get cut by the time they hit high school. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 6:46 am Post subject: |
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| jvalmer wrote: |
| NYC_Gal wrote: |
| What's your reasoning behind that decision? Just out of curiosity. |
I was cut later in childhood, when I was around 8 years old. However, I plan on getting any future son cut as an infant. It's a family thing.
bacasper, if you're so concerned, you do realize over 90% of Korean males get cut by the time they hit high school. |
Yes, and there is a really good book on the subject in Korean that I used to offer to some of my parents when I learned that their son might be coming up to the procedure. It was yellow and had a banana on the cover, and a bunch of drawings on the inside. It was in a style that both the boy and his parents could understand (or so I was told). I like to think I saved at least one of them from that fate, but I am afraid that many or most just go along with the cultural norm.
Also, as I understand it, they do a much less radical procedure than what many American infants undergo where they end up with almost no foreskin whatsoever. The Korean style more closely resembles the Turkish, I believe, where it is more ceremonial than surgical. At least the kid gets a big party and toys and stuff. |
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tiger fancini
Joined: 21 Mar 2006
Location: Testicles for Eyes
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djsmnc
Joined: 20 Jan 2003
Location: Dave's ESL Cafe
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| Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 5:30 pm Post subject: |
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Bloody outrage it is! They should punish these savage....err no, misguided individuals. Though, calling others' beliefs misguided is an imposition of neo-colonial values on people that were formerly subjugated by our greedy ancestors. We'll just have to let it go on until they realize what a seemingly brutal practice it is. Yes, that's right. Carry on, everyone! Nothing to sod our knickers over. |
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NYC_Gal
Joined: 08 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 7:58 pm Post subject: |
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| jvalmer wrote: |
| NYC_Gal wrote: |
| What's your reasoning behind that decision? Just out of curiosity. |
I was cut later in childhood, when I was around 8 years old. However, I plan on getting any future son cut as an infant. It's a family thing.
bacasper, if you're so concerned, you do realize over 90% of Korean males get cut by the time they hit high school. |
Well, of course that makes sense. If it's a family thing, if you're going to do it, DEFINITELY have it done during infancy. I'm sorry you had to have that done as a child!
I'd never do it, unless the kid needed it (which is sometimes the case). My grandfathers were upset (Jewish), but they know that
1) I'm atheist
2) I don't believe in body mods for kids. I had my ears pierced at 5 months. I'll let my daughter decide when she's in junior high school. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 12:15 am Post subject: |
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| NYC_Gal wrote: |
Well, of course that makes sense. If it's a family thing, if you're going to do it, DEFINITELY have it done during infancy. I'm sorry you had to have that done as a child!
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One is much better off, or I should say less worse off, the later one has it done it if must be done at all. Did you read what I wrote about the foreskin adhering to the glans in infancy?
Circumcision is torture. Avoid or delay it as much as possible. |
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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| Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 3:41 am Post subject: |
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we can't judge another person's religion and all cultures are equal. Nobody is right or wrong 
yay for multiculturalism woot woot
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FGM was around long before Islam, and has been practiced by jews and christians and other non-muslims. In Aftrica a girl's chances of suffering this torture are better determined by the region she lives in, rather than her religion. For example, many protestant AFrican girls are routinely mutilated in this way. On the other hand, most muslim women around the world never suffer this sickening form of abuse. |
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NYC_Gal
Joined: 08 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 5:17 am Post subject: |
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| bacasper wrote: |
| NYC_Gal wrote: |
Well, of course that makes sense. If it's a family thing, if you're going to do it, DEFINITELY have it done during infancy. I'm sorry you had to have that done as a child!
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One is much better off, or I should say less worse off, the later one has it done it if must be done at all. Did you read what I wrote about the foreskin adhering to the glans in infancy?
Circumcision is torture. Avoid or delay it as much as possible. |
Actually, due to your posting history, I'd prefer not to read anything you write about the genitals of minors. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 6:37 am Post subject: |
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2) I don't believe in body mods for kids. I had my ears pierced at 5 months. I'll let my daughter decide when she's in junior high school. |
Agreed. I don't even dig perms for kids. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 7:06 am Post subject: |
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| NYC_Gal wrote: |
| bacasper wrote: |
| NYC_Gal wrote: |
Well, of course that makes sense. If it's a family thing, if you're going to do it, DEFINITELY have it done during infancy. I'm sorry you had to have that done as a child!
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One is much better off, or I should say less worse off, the later one has it done it if must be done at all. Did you read what I wrote about the foreskin adhering to the glans in infancy?
Circumcision is torture. Avoid or delay it as much as possible. |
Actually, due to your posting history, I'd prefer not to read anything you write about the genitals of minors. |
So you want to sexually abuse and torture a neonate by taking a cold steel blade to his genitalia while he is strapped helplessly to board and cut off some of the most sensitive, nerve-ending filled and vascularized tissue in the human body with no anesthesia, risking a whole host of complications including infection, bleeding, penectomy, and death,
and you are criticizing me for trying to save the life of your son???
OMG, you are so blinded and brainwashed by the child sex abuse witchhunt that you would be willing to do that to your own son! 
I know, I know, I'M the one who's crazy.  |
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recessiontime
Joined: 21 Jun 2010
Location: Got avatar privileges nyahahaha
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| Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 7:09 am Post subject: |
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| Big_Bird wrote: |
| FGM was around long before Islam, and has been practiced by jews and christians and other non-muslims. In Aftrica a girl's chances of suffering this torture are better determined by the region she lives in, rather than her religion. For example, many protestant AFrican girls are routinely mutilated in this way. On the other hand, most muslim women around the world never suffer this sickening form of abuse. |
Who are we to judge what other cultures? Can't a parent mutilate his/her own child's genitals in peace without being criticized by the likes of us?
We need to become more tolerant if we are going to co-exist |
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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| Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 7:05 pm Post subject: |
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| recessiontime wrote: |
| Big_Bird wrote: |
| FGM was around long before Islam, and has been practiced by jews and christians and other non-muslims. In Aftrica a girl's chances of suffering this torture are better determined by the region she lives in, rather than her religion. For example, many protestant AFrican girls are routinely mutilated in this way. On the other hand, most muslim women around the world never suffer this sickening form of abuse. |
Who are we to judge what other cultures? Can't a parent mutilate his/her own child's genitals in peace without being criticized by the likes of us?
We need to become more tolerant if we are going to co-exist |
Well at least you are being more accurate now, by blaming it on culture rather than a religion. |
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NYC_Gal
Joined: 08 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 7:09 pm Post subject: |
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| bacasper wrote: |
| NYC_Gal wrote: |
| bacasper wrote: |
| NYC_Gal wrote: |
Well, of course that makes sense. If it's a family thing, if you're going to do it, DEFINITELY have it done during infancy. I'm sorry you had to have that done as a child!
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One is much better off, or I should say less worse off, the later one has it done it if must be done at all. Did you read what I wrote about the foreskin adhering to the glans in infancy?
Circumcision is torture. Avoid or delay it as much as possible. |
Actually, due to your posting history, I'd prefer not to read anything you write about the genitals of minors. |
So you want to sexually abuse and torture a neonate by taking a cold steel blade to his genitalia while he is strapped helplessly to board and cut off some of the most sensitive, nerve-ending filled and vascularized tissue in the human body with no anesthesia, risking a whole host of complications including infection, bleeding, penectomy, and death,
and you are criticizing me for trying to save the life of your son???
OMG, you are so blinded and brainwashed by the child sex abuse witchhunt that you would be willing to do that to your own son!
I know, I know, I'M the one who's crazy. |
I said that I don't believe in circumcision, but if it's going to be done, it should be done with the mom holding him. Jewish brisses involve wine so that the baby isn't fully aware of the situation. |
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