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NovaKart

Joined: 18 Nov 2009
Location: Iraq

Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 4:23 am Post subject:

I also appreciate bacasper's willingness to take an unpopular opinion. It reminds me of the unconvential spirit of a lot of young people in the 60s and 70s before America's youth became materialistic and conformist again. I do wonder exactly where he draws the line on sex crimes just out of curiosity.

djsmnc

Joined: 20 Jan 2003
Location: Dave's ESL Cafe

Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 5:07 am Post subject:

NovaKart wrote:

I also appreciate bacasper's willingness to take an unpopular opinion. It reminds me of the unconvential spirit of a lot of young people in the 60s and 70s before America's youth became materialistic and conformist again.

I do wonder exactly where he draws the line on sex crimes just out of curiosity.

I dunno. It would be one thing if it were a discussion about the collateral damage to the livelihood of common people in Afghanistan or Iraq and how that foments consistent ditrust and hostility against western interests, but this is a question of whether a middle aged man should be held culpable for attempting to do anything with an 11 year old stranger. I would say that the spirit of the 60s lives on when people look at how media such as the internet causes people to be conformist or is used as a tool to satiate depraved sexual interests for children. Mightn't you agree?

NYC_Gal

Joined: 08 Dec 2009

Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 5:15 am Post subject:

It wasn't freudian. They said that you unsettle other posters and lead them to think that you may have sexual issues, which it seems you do.

bacasper wrote:

NYC_Gal wrote:

I'm neither pervert nor deviant.

How do we know? So you've never done it in anything other than the missionary position? Or maybe you've never done it at all?

Missionary denotes religion, which is an anachronism, and a bane on society. As for sexual preference, position, if in a bedroom, matters not, as long as it's with a consenting ADULT.

bacasper wrote:

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If I ever found myself in a situation needing legal assistance (I've never so much as had a jaywalking ticket, mind you), I'd be sure to call my uncle, who specializes in international law. I doubt it'll happen, as I live a good life. I don't need the help of anyone willing to defend a pedo.

OK, because she has an uncle, I am a slimeball. Rolling Eyes

No. Because you have the gall to defend a pedo, you're a slimeball. Because I have an uncle, I'd have SOUND legal advice if needed, and not the ranting of some pedo supporter.

bacasper

Joined: 26 Mar 2007

Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 5:17 am Post subject:

recessiontime wrote:

However what does concern me is the number of pedophiles out there. I took a psych class long ago and the prof gave her students an alarming statistic. That over 60% of adult men have entertained the thought of having sex with a minor.

I'd sure like to see a source or a link for that 60% figure. A representative study I have seen that addresses the issue is this one of randomly selected �normal� men at Kent State University (Hall, G. N., Hirschman, R, and Oliver, L. 1995) in which it was discovered that

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20% of the current subjects self-reported pedophilic interest and 26% exhibited penile arousal to pedophilic stimuli that equaled or exceeded arousal to adult stimuli.

bacasper

Joined: 26 Mar 2007

Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 5:39 am Post subject:

NYC_Gal wrote:

It wasn't freudian. They said that you unsettle other posters and lead them to think that you may have sexual issues, which it seems you do.

Nope, not what they said either. Keep tryin' and lyin'.

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bacasper wrote:

NYC_Gal wrote:

I'm neither pervert nor deviant.

How do we know? So you've never done it in anything other than the missionary position? Or maybe you've never done it at all?

Missionary denotes religion, which is an anachronism, and a bane on society.

Are you really that ignorant, or are you just being willfully obtuse?

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As for sexual preference, position, if in a bedroom, matters not, as long as it's with a consenting ADULT.

Unless you are doing it in the missionary position with an adult male to whom you are legally married and only for the purposes of procreation, there are people somewhere who consider you a deviant and a pervert. Or is the whole world supposed to use NYC_Gal's definitions?

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bacasper wrote:

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OK, because she has an uncle, I am a slimeball. Rolling Eyes

No. Because you have the gall to defend a pedo, you're a slimeball. Because I have an uncle, I'd have SOUND legal advice if needed, and not the ranting of some pedo supporter.

I will not allow myself to descend to your level of childish name-calling. Your resort to it only demonstrates your inability to refute my points and the vapidity of your position.

huffdaddy

Joined: 25 Nov 2005

Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 5:45 am Post subject:

bacasper wrote:

recessiontime wrote:

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20% of the current subjects self-reported pedophilic interest and 26% exhibited penile arousal to pedophilic stimuli that equaled or exceeded arousal to adult stimuli.

You don't think 60% of men would like to boink Miley Cyrus? Or would have liked to have had a threesome with the teenaged Olson twins? 60% sounds low, to me.

bacasper

Joined: 26 Mar 2007

Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 5:56 am Post subject:

huffdaddy wrote:

bacasper wrote:

recessiontime wrote:

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20% of the current subjects self-reported pedophilic interest and 26% exhibited penile arousal to pedophilic stimuli that equaled or exceeded arousal to adult stimuli.

You don't think 60% of men would like to boink Miley Cyrus? Or would have liked to have had a threesome with the teenaged Olson twins? 60% sounds low, to me.

Heck, even George Bush 1 fantasized about Britney Spears, right? While the figure may well be higher, what I think is less important than what has been documented in the literature. If that study is out there somewhere, I missed it.

Maybe you should do a poll Exclamation

mises

Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired

Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 6:14 am Post subject:

NYC_Gal wrote:

Guys, even the mods posted a thread telling casper that his interest in sexual deviancy is unsettling.

What? A moderator?

Captain Corea

Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul

Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 6:30 am Post subject:

bacasper wrote:

Captain Corea wrote:

Koveras wrote:

It's easy to stand up for fashionable causes. What Bacaspar does takes guts. The slimy jibes directed at him prove over and over and over what a necessary thing he's doing. I thought he was wrong about Polanski and I'm sure he's been in the wrong plenty of other times too. It really doesn't matter how many times he's wrong in fact, because in spirit he's absolutely right. Bacaspar is the conscience of the current events forum.

Actually, his posting habits generally disgust me.

What a coincidence! Your responses generally disgust me!

Wow, that was impressive. What exactly disgusts you? The fact that I call you on your imaginary statistics? The fact that I don't like pedophiles? Be specific please - because I have been.

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He talks about the law and rights, yet misuses legal terms like entrapment for his own purposes.

Sorry you don't agree with my use of the term to signify enticing someone to commit a crime they otherwise would not have.

You've yet to offer one shred of proof that it was entrapment. You've since changed it to some other lame phrase in the hopes that I would leave you alone about your dishonesty.

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He ignores examples that disprove his theories, yet gets in a huff if his examples aren't taken seriously.

Such as?

I've given numerous examples of situations where someone can be charged and convicted for just planing a crime. You've chosen to ignore them.

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He lies about statistics, and then misquotes people relating to it.

Now this I take offense at and defy you to show where I have ever lied about statistics.

You said this:

bacasper wrote:

OK. You're on record as saying that 25% of fathers should be locked up for imaginary stuff.

Mind showing me one actual stats that supports your wild accusations? What study showed 25% of fathers trying to bed their children?

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His posts are, in a word, slimy. And this is not even touching on the nature of the subject.

He is FAR from the moral conscious of this forum. In fact, I view his posting habits as immoral and dishonest.

But hurling cheap shots at someone who can't defend himself - now that's righteous. Rolling Eyes

You've suddenly developed an inability to defend yourself? How so? Can't type? Can't think? How is is that you cannot defend yourself?

jvalmer

Joined: 06 Jun 2003

Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 7:47 am Post subject:

recessiontime wrote:

That stat is questionable, it's probably the number for under 18. The lower the age goes the less people you'll have entertaining such thoughts. Big differences in an 11, 15, 17 and a 21 year old.

bacasper

Joined: 26 Mar 2007

Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 8:03 am Post subject:

jvalmer wrote:

recessiontime wrote:

That stat is questionable, it's probably the number for under 18. The lower the age goes the less people you'll have entertaining such thoughts. Big differences in an 11, 15, 17 and a 21 year old.

"Minor" pretty consistently means under 18 which most likely explains the discrepancy with the study I cited which observed arousal to pre-pubertal individuals at 26% of normal (i.e. non-pedophilic) men.

mises

Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired

Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 8:44 am Post subject:

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I also appreciate bacasper's willingness to take an unpopular opinion.

Me too. I don't have to agree with an opinion to read it. I don't know anything about the legal characteristics of entrapment.

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It reminds me of the unconvential spirit of a lot of young people in the 60s and 70s before America's youth became materialistic and conformist again.

The youth are hipsters. Ironically conformist and vapid.

madoka

Joined: 27 Mar 2008

Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 1:36 pm Post subject:

mises wrote:

Me too. I don't have to agree with an opinion to read it. I don't know anything about the legal characteristics of entrapment.

Well, if you've been listening to bacasper, then you still don't.

As my law professor once said, the most dangerous people are not those that don't know anything about the law, it's those that know only a little.

recessiontime

Joined: 21 Jun 2010
Location: Got avatar privileges nyahahaha

Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 4:11 pm Post subject:

bacasper wrote:

recessiontime wrote:

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20% of the current subjects self-reported pedophilic interest and 26% exhibited penile arousal to pedophilic stimuli that equaled or exceeded arousal to adult stimuli.

let's just use your numbers then and add some 2009 demographics.

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US Population
307,212,123 (July 2009 est.)

Age structure
0-14 years: 20.2% (male 31,639,127/female 30,305,704)
15-64 years: 67% (male 102,665,043/female 103,129,321)
65 years and over: 12.8% (male 16,901,232/female 22,571,696) (2009 est.)

http://www.indexmundi.com/united_states/demographics_profile.html

so 26% of 119.56 million males (above 15) is still ~31million pedophiles

So we just put 1 pedo in jail. There are still ~31 million American males to potential pedophiles. Even if you don't account for age groups of 15~18 you probably would still have something like 25million people that are aroused by pedophilic stimuli.

Concerning Question

NYC_Gal

Joined: 08 Dec 2009

Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 6:24 pm Post subject:

bacasper wrote:

NYC_Gal wrote:

It wasn't freudian. They said that you unsettle other posters and lead them to think that you may have sexual issues, which it seems you do.

Nope, not what they said either. Keep tryin' and lyin'.

I read it. I'm paraphrasing. The "which it seems you do" was MY opinion. It DOES seem that others are creeped out by you.

bacasper wrote:

NYC_Gal wrote:

I'm neither pervert nor deviant.

How do we know? So you've never done it in anything other than the missionary position? Or maybe you've never done it at all?

Missionary denotes religion, which is an anachronism, and a bane on society. [/quote]
Are you really that ignorant, or are you just being willfully obtuse?[/quote]
Missionaries pushed their religion, telling natives that they should only mate in the one position. I belong to no religion, as I'm a good person because I want to be. I don't cop out and blame some boogeyman in the sky for life's doings.

bacasper wrote:

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As for sexual preference, position, if in a bedroom, matters not, as long as it's with a consenting ADULT.

Actually, I haven't seen my fiance in a few months, so there's been no sex. Those who find any other position deviant are sad religious fanatics. As for premarital sex, these same people belong to religions where it was okay at the beginning.

bacasper wrote:

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OK, because she has an uncle, I am a slimeball. Rolling Eyes

No. Because you have the gall to defend a pedo, you're a slimeball. Because I have an uncle, I'd have SOUND legal advice if needed, and not the ranting of some pedo supporter.[/quote]
I will not allow myself to descend to your level of childish name-calling. Your resort to it only demonstrates your inability to refute my points and the vapidity of your position.[/quote]
I've refuted your points, but you must have been having those perverse daydreams again, as you freely admitted earlier.

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