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mises



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 6:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bacasper wrote:
mises wrote:
Oh, and warrior, Israel knew about 9/11. Mo'Atta had mossad agents on either side of his house in Hollywood FL. They don't care that you know either. On national tv in Israel, one of the "dancing Israeli's" said "we were there to document the event".

Wait a minute, mises. I thought you weren't in my "camp" on this one?


I am not a truther. I do not believe the United States government, or rogue elements therein, had 1) foreknowledge with specifics and/or 2) was actively involved in the plot.

However, there is a video (find it on youtube) where 3 or 4 of the dancing Israeli's are on a talk show in Israel. One of them is asked "why were you there". He says "we were there to document the event". Ok. Either they have a time machine or they knew the details of what was coming down to the day and hour. I don't believe in time machines.
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The Happy Warrior



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 6:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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And warrior thinks he's brave to call names: "somebody had to say it". Yes, you've earned your status for the day. You're strict adherence to mainstream must be my opinion assures you plenty of status.


This is wide off the mark. I didn't say somebody had to say it, I said it had become tiresome.

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Main Entry: tiresome
Part of Speech: adjective
Definition: irritating, exasperating
Synonyms: a bit much, annoying, arduous, boresome, boring, burdensome, demanding, difficult, drag, dragging, drudging, dull, enervative, exacting, exhausting, fatiguing, flat, hard, heavy, hefty, ho-hum, humdrum, irksome, jading, laborious, monotonous, nowhere, onerous, oppressive, strenuous, tedious, tired, tiring, too much*, tough, trying, uncool, uninteresting, unrelieved, vexatious, wearing, wearisome, wearying, yawn
Antonyms: easy, facile, fun, nice, stimulating
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mises



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 6:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Happy Warrior wrote:


Also, you guys need to stop saying 'organized Jewish community in the US' and go back to saying neo-con. The anti-semitism is really tiresome. Yes, there, I said it.


Yes. You said it. Brave dude. Jumping in front of a train to save a puppy kinda brave.
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The Happy Warrior



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 6:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mises wrote:
The Happy Warrior wrote:


Also, you guys need to stop saying 'organized Jewish community in the US' and go back to saying neo-con. The anti-semitism is really tiresome. Yes, there, I said it.


Yes. You said it. Brave dude. Jumping in front of a train to save a puppy kinda brave.


Belittling me fails to reinforce your point. You've lost this round. Get your wits about you and maybe you'll win the next.
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mises



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 6:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Happy Warrior wrote:
mises wrote:
The Happy Warrior wrote:


Also, you guys need to stop saying 'organized Jewish community in the US' and go back to saying neo-con. The anti-semitism is really tiresome. Yes, there, I said it.


Yes. You said it. Brave dude. Jumping in front of a train to save a puppy kinda brave.


Belittling me fails to reinforce your point. You've lost this round. Get your wits about you and maybe you'll win the next.


I've lost what? First pejoratives and now proof by assertion?

The organized Jewish community supported the war. Period. If anti-war types can't even bring themselves to criticize the power structures that gave America Iraq and will give America Iran, there is absolutely no hope for us. None. Yes, we all talk about the military industrial complex and Christian Zionists like we're subversive and brave. It isn't enough anymore. Not by a mile.
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mises



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 6:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Happy Warrior wrote:

Quote:

Main Entry: tiresome
Part of Speech: adjective
Definition: irritating, exasperating
Synonyms: a bit much, annoying, arduous, boresome, boring, burdensome, demanding, difficult, drag, dragging, drudging, dull, enervative, exacting, exhausting, fatiguing, flat, hard, heavy, hefty, ho-hum, humdrum, irksome, jading, laborious, monotonous, nowhere, onerous, oppressive, strenuous, tedious, tired, tiring, too much*, tough, trying, uncool, uninteresting, unrelieved, vexatious, wearing, wearisome, wearying, yawn
Antonyms: easy, facile, fun, nice, stimulating


Why not write:

*yawn* and *waves hand*

?
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catman



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 7:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mises wrote:
The Happy Warrior wrote:
mises wrote:
The Happy Warrior wrote:


Also, you guys need to stop saying 'organized Jewish community in the US' and go back to saying neo-con. The anti-semitism is really tiresome. Yes, there, I said it.


Yes. You said it. Brave dude. Jumping in front of a train to save a puppy kinda brave.


Belittling me fails to reinforce your point. You've lost this round. Get your wits about you and maybe you'll win the next.


I've lost what? First pejoratives and now proof by assertion?

The organized Jewish community supported the war. Period. If anti-war types can't even bring themselves to criticize the power structures that gave America Iraq and will give America Iran, there is absolutely no hope for us. None. Yes, we all talk about the military industrial complex and Christian Zionists like we're subversive and brave. It isn't enough anymore. Not by a mile.


This anti-war type will blame those who are actually responsible. Not entire ethnic and religious communities like the far right does. I don't care if it is a Jew, Christian or Muslim who is pushing for war.
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catman



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 7:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Neo-cons are Jewish former communists who turned on the Soviet Union and communism when Stalin turned on the Jews in the USSR. So these neo-cons dreamed up the war and the "organized Jewish community" supported it.


I didn't realize that George Bush, Dick Cheney, John Bolton were all Jews and former communists. Rolling Eyes

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And what's the evidence that the "organized Jewish community" didn't support it? Well, polling says individual Jews say the war was a mistake. That's nice. What did the money say before it was a mistake and was going to be a mistake?


What is your definition "organized Jewish community"? Would these groups count?

Jewish Voice for Peace

Jews against the War
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mises



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 7:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

catman wrote:
mises wrote:
The Happy Warrior wrote:
mises wrote:
The Happy Warrior wrote:


Also, you guys need to stop saying 'organized Jewish community in the US' and go back to saying neo-con. The anti-semitism is really tiresome. Yes, there, I said it.


Yes. You said it. Brave dude. Jumping in front of a train to save a puppy kinda brave.


Belittling me fails to reinforce your point. You've lost this round. Get your wits about you and maybe you'll win the next.


I've lost what? First pejoratives and now proof by assertion?

The organized Jewish community supported the war. Period. If anti-war types can't even bring themselves to criticize the power structures that gave America Iraq and will give America Iran, there is absolutely no hope for us. None. Yes, we all talk about the military industrial complex and Christian Zionists like we're subversive and brave. It isn't enough anymore. Not by a mile.


This anti-war type will blame those who are actually responsible. Not entire ethnic and religious communities like the far right does. I don't care if it is a Jew, Christian or Muslim who is pushing for war.


I am not blaming Jews or Judaism. I am placing responsibility on those organizations who are responsible. That includes, but is not limited to, the organized Jewish community, as described in the Salon article in the previous page.


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mises



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 7:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I didn't realize that George Bush, Dick Cheney, John Bolton were all Jews and former communists.


They're Christian Zionists. Probably not Bush though. They are products of an intellectual culture. That culture that produced them can't be ignored. Nor can the money behind the political organizations. Nor can the media which sold the war and continues to wash away the human impact.

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And what's the evidence that the "organized Jewish community" didn't support it? Well, polling says individual Jews say the war was a mistake. That's nice. What did the money say before it was a mistake and was going to be a mistake?

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What is your definition "organized Jewish community"? Would these groups count?

Jewish Voice for Peace

Jews against the War
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What's their funding? How much do they lobby? What are their connections to the MSM? Power isn't a website. Power is 60% of donations to the Democrat Party from people like Haim Saban.
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bacasper



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 8:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mises wrote:
bacasper wrote:
mises wrote:
Oh, and warrior, Israel knew about 9/11. Mo'Atta had mossad agents on either side of his house in Hollywood FL. They don't care that you know either. On national tv in Israel, one of the "dancing Israeli's" said "we were there to document the event".

Wait a minute, mises. I thought you weren't in my "camp" on this one?


I am not a truther. I do not believe the United States government, or rogue elements therein, had 1) foreknowledge with specifics and/or 2) was actively involved in the plot.

However, there is a video (find it on youtube) where 3 or 4 of the dancing Israeli's are on a talk show in Israel. One of them is asked "why were you there". He says "we were there to document the event". Ok. Either they have a time machine or they knew the details of what was coming down to the day and hour. I don't believe in time machines.

Of course I know all about that video.

So you are saying that Israel had advance knowledge, just that US officials didn't, right? (Even though, for example, SF Mayor Willie Brown canceled his flight to NYC on 9/10 due to a warning.)
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catman



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 2:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="mises"]
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I didn't realize that George Bush, Dick Cheney, John Bolton were all Jews and former communists.

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They're Christian Zionists. Probably not Bush though. They are products of an intellectual culture. That culture that produced them can't be ignored.


So American Imperialism was a product of Jewish culture?

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Nor can the media which sold the war and continues to wash away the human impact.


Fox News is run by a Christian if that is the direction you're going in.

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What's their funding? How much do they lobby? What are their connections to the MSM? Power isn't a website. Power is 60% of donations to the Democrat Party from people like Haim Saban.


They are still part of the "Organized Jewish Community". If you simply said Zionists Jews that would be far more accurate.
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The Happy Warrior



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 06, 2010 1:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alright, mises, you're right. Nothing that you wrote is anti-semitic.

I still think, and Big Bird agrees, that you should the word Zionist. That word encapsulates an ideology that extends beyond Judaism. The 'Jews finance evil' meme is a very old one and associated with some bad stuff, so it sets off alarm bells.

You're right that the wars need to end.
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bacasper



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 06, 2010 5:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As if I am really surprised...

Published on Tuesday, August 3, 2010 by the Inter Press Service

Obama Drops 2009 Pledge to Withdraw Combat Troops from Iraq

by Gareth Porter

WASHINGTON - Seventeen months after President Barack Obama pledged to withdraw all combat brigades from Iraq by Sept. 1, 2010, he quietly abandoned that pledge Monday, admitting implicitly that such combat brigades would remain until the end of 2011.

Obama declared in a speech to disabled U.S. veterans in Atlanta that "America's combat mission in Iraq" would end by the end of August, to be replaced by a mission of "supporting and training Iraqi security forces".

That statement was in line with the pledge he had made on Feb. 27, 2009, when he said, "Let me say this as plainly as I can: by Aug. 31, 2010, our combat mission in Iraq will end."

In the sentence preceding that pledge, however, he had said, "I have chosen a timeline that will remove our combat brigades over the next 18 months." Obama said nothing in his speech Monday about withdrawing "combat brigades" or "combat troops" from Iraq until the end of 2011.

Even the concept of "ending the U.S. combat mission" may be highly misleading, much like the concept of "withdrawing U.S. combat brigades" was in 2009.

Under the administration's definition of the concept, combat operations will continue after August 2010, but will be defined as the secondary role of U.S. forces in Iraq. The primary role will be to "advise and assist" Iraqi forces.

An official who spoke with IPS on condition that his statements would be attributed to a "senior administration official" acknowledged that the 50,000 U.S. troops remaining in Iraq beyond the deadline will have the same combat capabilities as the combat brigades that have been withdrawn.

The official also acknowledged that the troops will engage in some combat but suggested that the combat would be "mostly" for defensive purposes.

That language implied that there might be circumstances in which U.S. forces would carry out offensive operations as well.

continued at link
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Beavis Jones



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 06, 2010 7:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How to stop the wars?


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