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Skarp



Joined: 22 Aug 2003

PostPosted: Wed Mar 17, 2004 9:13 pm    Post subject: Extra work refusal strategies?? Advice Reply with quote

OK - here's the thing...

I work for a big adult hagwon chain. They pay low but the work is easy


We just had a directive down from on high about phoning students who are absent 4+ days on teh trot. None of the teachers in our place are prepared to do this potentially large amount of futile extra work.

This is not in the contracts and we are hardly marketing/sales staff.

We all have varying strategies for how to avoid doing it.

What is the best way to deal with this in your opinion?

The directors seem to think they can make us (as if they could replace us all if it came to a showdown! - remember pay is low and teh won has crashed recently - we are an ever scarcer commodity)
skarp
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kangnamdragon



Joined: 17 Jan 2003
Location: Kangnam, Seoul, Korea

PostPosted: Wed Mar 17, 2004 9:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When did the won crash?


The best way to avoid doing it is to not let the students be absent in the first place.
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Gord



Joined: 25 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Wed Mar 17, 2004 9:26 pm    Post subject: Re: Extra work refusal strategies?? Advice Reply with quote

Skarp wrote:
We just had a directive down from on high about phoning students who are absent 4+ days on teh trot. None of the teachers in our place are prepared to do this potentially large amount of futile extra work.

This is not in the contracts and we are hardly marketing/sales staff.


Might want to read it again. Usually the contract will state that "extra duties in support of the class" will be required, or a version of that. You're on salary.


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What is the best way to deal with this in your opinion?


Phoning the student and asking what's up. An excellent chance to earn feedback.

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The directors seem to think they can make us (as if they could replace us all if it came to a showdown! - remember pay is low and teh won has crashed recently - we are an ever scarcer commodity)
skarp


I'm curious where this Won crash you are talking about is. Though, yes, they could easily replace you if it came "to a showdown". It's teaching adults, a job that everyone wants. They just have to place one advertisement on a site like this or contact a single recruiter, and you could all be replaced within an hour.
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The Lemon



Joined: 11 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Wed Mar 17, 2004 9:44 pm    Post subject: Re: Extra work refusal strategies?? Advice Reply with quote

Gord wrote:
Skarp wrote:
remember pay is low and teh won has crashed recently - we are an ever scarcer commodity


I'm curious where this Won crash you are talking about is.


Me too. Here's a plot of the Won vs the US dollar rate, for the last two years:

The won is currently nearly the strongest it's been in at least the last two years. We can do this with any major currency you'd like.
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batman



Joined: 24 Jan 2003
Location: Oh so close to where I want to be

PostPosted: Wed Mar 17, 2004 10:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I honestly don't see the big deal about phoning students. On the off chance that a student of mine was absent I would always send them a message to see what was up. Besides phoning there are other alternatives to use (text message, email). Not very time consuming other.
Out of the 100 students registered for my classes perhaps one or two would be absent on any given day. Besides showing the director that I was directly concerned about the health of his hogwan (and thus my job), the students were generally very thrilled to hear from me. In my opinion, phoning students is just a small thing you can do to demonstrate the value you place on your job regardless of the value of the won.
(Hell, I even have a friend who designed, printed and distributed flyers on his own volition just to help out his hogwan.)
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lush72



Joined: 18 Aug 2003
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 17, 2004 10:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have to agree with batman here- whats a phone call? Would it hurt you?


Its just a call!
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994

PostPosted: Thu Mar 18, 2004 12:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Korean teachers do the phone call thing. It is part of how they show interest and concern for their students. Hence, your students would interpret the call as a gesture of concern for them. It may well help to bring them back to class.
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Mr. Pink



Joined: 21 Oct 2003
Location: China

PostPosted: Thu Mar 18, 2004 1:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think those of you saying:

"What's a phone call?"
or
"It can bring you closer"

And other such comments have NEVER done phone councelling.

I HAVE DONE IT.

I promise you it takes up WAY more time than you can ever imagine.

Students with bad English means taking a long time to actually say what you want to say to them.

Students with good English, will want to talk and talk and talk...usually they don't want to get off the phone.

Either way your time gets eaten up badly.

I'd refuse. Contracts are so open to interruptation, jobs are a plenty in this land...if they fire you, well, whatever.
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Crois



Joined: 18 Aug 2003
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 18, 2004 2:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tell the man it's against you religion. And tell him to screw it.

Sorry my posts are a bit abusive. Listening to anti-American lifestyle music...
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Homer
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 18, 2004 2:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If your contract mentions "school related tasks" or some such thing then thats included...sadly.

However, you did say that your job was "easy". In such a case whats the big deal about phoning a few students who are absent...?

If your contract does not have this "school or teaching related tasks" clause then just refuse.

If it does, why not do it?

You just might get something out of it.
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batman



Joined: 24 Jan 2003
Location: Oh so close to where I want to be

PostPosted: Thu Mar 18, 2004 3:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pink wrote:
I think those of you saying:

"What's a phone call?"
or
"It can bring you closer"

And other such comments have NEVER done phone councelling.

I HAVE DONE IT.

I promise you it takes up WAY more time than you can ever imagine.

Students with bad English means taking a long time to actually say what you want to say to them.

Students with good English, will want to talk and talk and talk...usually they don't want to get off the phone.

Either way your time gets eaten up badly.

I'd refuse. Contracts are so open to interruptation, jobs are a plenty in this land...if they fire you, well, whatever.


I have done it.
With kindergarten kids.
With elementary students.
With high school students.
With university students.
With businessmen.
With housewives.
If it is part of the job, I do it.
No big deal.
It is what we are paid for.
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lush72



Joined: 18 Aug 2003
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 18, 2004 6:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

batman wrote:

I have done it.
With kindergarten kids. Shocked
With elementary students. Sad
With high school students. Confused
With university students. Laughing
With businessmen. Shocked
With housewives. Very Happy
If it is part of the job, I do it.
No big deal.
It is what we are paid for.


Batman- you have done it with a lot of different people! I'm not sure thats a good thing! Cool


heehee- you know I'm only busting yer chops!
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Mr. Pink



Joined: 21 Oct 2003
Location: China

PostPosted: Thu Mar 18, 2004 2:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

batman wrote:
Pink wrote:
I think those of you saying:

"What's a phone call?"
or
"It can bring you closer"

And other such comments have NEVER done phone councelling.

I HAVE DONE IT.

I promise you it takes up WAY more time than you can ever imagine.

Students with bad English means taking a long time to actually say what you want to say to them.

Students with good English, will want to talk and talk and talk...usually they don't want to get off the phone.

Either way your time gets eaten up badly.

I'd refuse. Contracts are so open to interruptation, jobs are a plenty in this land...if they fire you, well, whatever.


I have done it.
With kindergarten kids.
With elementary students.
With high school students.
With university students.
With businessmen.
With housewives.
If it is part of the job, I do it.
No big deal.
It is what we are paid for.


I have done it too, and it WASN'T part of my job. As I said, that "other classwork" can be really open to interuptation. I don't consider 2-3 hrs PER class phone councelling part of any TEACHING job. Even if it is once a month, that is HUGE hours that I really don't get paid for.

It might be no big deal to you, but then you might not know better either. The guy who is always getting screwed in the arse, might just think that is the natural course of events.

I will never do the phone thing unless it says how much they pay me per hour for doing it. To me, prep for the class is "classwork dutites"...even making tests and report cards can be under there. Chatting it up for hours on end, NO WAY.
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Real Reality



Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Thu Mar 18, 2004 3:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I tend to agree with Mr. Pink.

What about sending e-mail messages? I have done both
calling and sending e-mail.

Batman and lush72,
Can the number of students be important?
I have taught hundreds of students in a week.
Do you teach three hundred students per week?
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peppermint



Joined: 13 May 2003
Location: traversing the minefields of caddishness.

PostPosted: Thu Mar 18, 2004 3:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think if you call a low level student on the phone and they aren't expecting it, they'll feel threatened, not appreciated or missed. If the school forces the matter, try sending texts or e-mails instead.
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