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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Beavis Jones wrote: |
How to stop the wars?
hehehehehehehe.....let everyone get laid.......hehehehehehe
hehehehehe....getting laid is cool....hehehehehehe |
Maybe you think that is a joke, and of course back in the 60's and 70's we used to chant, "MAKE LOVE, NOT WAR!".
But you are actually right in a more serious way. In his groundbreaking research done over 30 years ago, "Body Pleasure and the Origins of Violence" published in the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists, James Prescott looked at ~50 cultures worldwide and classified them according to levels of adult violence. He also looked at whether the cultures showed high or low infant affection, i.e. whether it was thought better to pick up and comfort infants frequently or not so frequently to make them "tough." He also looked at whether these cultures were restrictive or permissive with respect to early adolescent sexuality.
He was able to predict with about 75% accuracy from levels of infant affection that cultures with high levels had low adult violence. However in those cultures with low infant affection, if they were permissive and relaxed in their attitudes toward early adolescent sexuality, he was then able to predict with 96-100% accuracy levels of adult violence. So it appears that we humans get a second chance after puberty to become peaceful people.
But don't take my word for it. Read the article. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 5:11 am Post subject: |
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Yesterday I met a friend who works for a NGO that focuses on conflict resolution. My friend is currently working on a project covering Iraqi refugees. Some interesting facts:
1 The Iraqi refugee crisis is the currently biggest refugee crisis in the world. It dwarfs Darfur, Sudan, et al.
2. The USA lets in around 2,000 Iraqi refugees per year. The quota is a bit higher (10-12K I believe) but due to the bureaucratic difficulties, few actually make it here. Sweden alone has accepted many more Iraqi refugees than we have.
3. Guess who is providing a lot of the services to these refugees in Syria, Jordan, and Lebanon? It ain't the governments or the USA of course. Nope, mosques and Islamic organizations. They are also the only ones educating the refugee youth. IOW, our invasion has seeded Islamic fundamentalism in multiple ways.
I have a hunch our invasion of Iraq will be viewed as the biggest foreign policy debacle in our nation's history. |
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recessiontime
Joined: 21 Jun 2010
Location: Got avatar privileges nyahahaha
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| Posted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 6:03 am Post subject: |
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| bucheon bum wrote: |
Yesterday I met a friend who works for a NGO that focuses on conflict resolution. My friend is currently working on a project covering Iraqi refugees. Some interesting facts:
1 The Iraqi refugee crisis is the currently biggest refugee crisis in the world. It dwarfs Darfur, Sudan, et al.
2. The USA lets in around 2,000 Iraqi refugees per year. The quota is a bit higher (10-12K I believe) but due to the bureaucratic difficulties, few actually make it here. Sweden alone has accepted many more Iraqi refugees than we have.
3. Guess who is providing a lot of the services to these refugees in Syria, Jordan, and Lebanon? It ain't the governments or the USA of course. Nope, mosques and Islamic organizations. They are also the only ones educating the refugee youth. IOW, our invasion has seeded Islamic fundamentalism in multiple ways.
I have a hunch our invasion of Iraq will be viewed as the biggest foreign policy debacle in our nation's history. |
it's like that old saying "you reap what you sow" |
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stilicho25
Joined: 05 Apr 2010
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| Posted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 6:07 am Post subject: |
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Wow, that is pretty crazy. I went to the UN page and found that you were right about Sudan having less of a problem, which is shocking. I guess foreign invasion combined with civil war is a worse problem than the janhaweed. Interesting though, my cursory check said Colombia had a massive problem. I had no idea it was such a massive problem in Colombia.
http://www.unhcr.org/cgi-bin/texis/vtx/page?page=49e492ad6
I am really curious though... I thought the Syrians were allergic to Islamic fundamentalists and purged them ruthlessly. I would be shocked if they let groups like that deal with the refugees. I am not saying I don't believe it, just that its a bit surprising given the history there. |
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catman
Joined: 18 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 10:02 am Post subject: |
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Iraq: It All Boils Down to Oil
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In his impressive new book, Oil, writer Tom Bower notes America's trinity is "God, guns and gasoline."
Iraq's oil reserves are an estimated 112 billion barrels, the world's second largest behind Saudi Arabia. Canada ranks third.
Iraq also has vast natural gas reserves, an increasingly important fuel and raw material. Oil-hungry India and China are eyeing Iraq.
America's once mighty oil firms, the "seven sisters," have been elbowed out of most of the world's oil fields by nationalist governments.
Iraq's ex-ruler, Saddam Hussein, kicked foreign oil firms out of Iraq, and so sealed his fate. Big Oil moved back into Iraq behind invading U.S. troops in 2003, and is taking over Iraq's oil production and exporting.
It's unlikely the U.S. will cut Iraq loose.
Washington seems to be following the same control model set up in the 1920s by the British Empire to secure Mesopotamia's oil. Namely: Install a puppet ruler, create a native army to protect him, leave some British troops and strong RAF units in desert bases ready to bomb any miscreants who disturbed the Pax Brittanica - and keep cheap oil flowing.
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stilicho25
Joined: 05 Apr 2010
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| Posted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 11:04 am Post subject: |
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I don't buy the oil thing. How much did the war in Iraq cost? How much does it take to garrison it? Way more than we would get in oil I would guess.
At this point I have to agree with the "zionist" theory. I think we did it for Israel. Nothing else seems logical to me, although perhaps there was no logical reason for it, just a spasm of violence resulting from 9/11 rage.
I don't think much of the article either. Who cares what the leader of the Baath party says? If they cause more trouble, Maliki, Sadr, or Hakim will anhiliate them. The civil war is over, and the Shia won. Any of the 3 candidates for PM now could hold the country together, I think. The security apparatus is in place, and even without our help looks pretty tough. |
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catman
Joined: 18 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 2:50 pm Post subject: |
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| stilicho25 wrote: |
| I don't buy the oil thing. How much did the war in Iraq cost? How much does it take to garrison it? Way more than we would get in oil I would guess. |
Iraq's oil fields are now open to foreign oil companies for the first time since Iraq nationalized their oil industry. While the government did make claims that the war would pay for itself they obviously were lying and/or incompetent. Much the same way with the WMD claim.
Of course saying it was just oil is overly simplistic just like blaming Isreal or zee Jews in a conspiracy. Fact remains that the US first got involved in the region because of oil and is likely to stay there because of it. |
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stilicho25
Joined: 05 Apr 2010
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| Posted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 3:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Yeah, well I agree its more of combination of factors that led to it, and I have no doubt oil played some part, as long with the security of Israel, the wmds, and the previous attack on Kuwait. Just not sure which one was the tipping factor. |
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Louis VI
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
Location: In my Kingdom
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| Posted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 3:39 pm Post subject: |
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| stilicho25 wrote: |
| I don't buy the oil thing. How much did the war in Iraq cost? How much does it take to garrison it? Way more than we would get in oil I would guess. |
Don't be so naive. Who paid for the war? Who profits from the war? Not the same people, so your logic fails. A quarter billion taxpayers paying trillions in costs while trillions are made by private corporations in the military arms and oil industries, both to wage the war and thereafter. |
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catman
Joined: 18 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 3:52 pm Post subject: |
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"The best way to revitalize the economy is war". -George W Bush
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stilicho25
Joined: 05 Apr 2010
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| Posted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 4:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Eh Louis, civility in debate is a virtue. I think eventually they will have to pay, as at some point taxes will have to go up in order to pay for all these disasters. Unless they all escape to Switzerland en masse. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 5:05 am Post subject: |
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| I am really curious though... I thought the Syrians were allergic to Islamic fundamentalists and purged them ruthlessly. I would be shocked if they let groups like that deal with the refugees. I am not saying I don't believe it, just that its a bit surprising given the history there. |
Yes, they did purge the Muslim Brotherhood from the country. On the other hand, Iran is Syria's closest ally and Hizzballah is also supported by Syria. Do you think Syria is going to say no to aid/assistance provided by two groups that it has cloes ties with?
But yes, you bring up a good point. Perhaps Iraqi sunnis, in Syria at least, are not creating ties with fundamentalists. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired
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recessiontime
Joined: 21 Jun 2010
Location: Got avatar privileges nyahahaha
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| Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 8:58 am Post subject: |
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| mises wrote: |
| http://www.cnionline.org/full-page-ad-in-new-york-times-demonstrates-who-is-pushing-for-war-against-iran/ |
Convincing evidence that Jewish lobby groups want this war.
Apologists, where art thou?  |
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stilicho25
Joined: 05 Apr 2010
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| Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 10:24 am Post subject: |
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| What the heck!?!? Who cares if Jewish people put this advert up. The purpose of this advert is to convince Americans that weeing ourselves off of oil is a good thing. Besides the scary picture of Iamadinnerjacket there is nothing here that I disagree with. I think it is correct that a massive transfer of wealth from developed to developing countries part and parcel of the fossil fuel debate.... If LINK posted adverts about North Korean actions would you accuse them of trying to push us into war with NK? No! Both groups are just doing their civic duty and pushing for a common sense approach two problems, North Korean aggression, and our dependence on foreign oil. |
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