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bacasper
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| That's just the psychiatric definition. Legal and social meanings are different. |
Your standard is social or "most people." There is no legal one, AFAIK. Mine is a professional one. |
My standard is a mental state, not a physical one. |
Well, if it is a mental state, who better to determine that than psychiatrists?
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And yes, there is a legal definition. Talk about some "nignance."
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2205170
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| Although there is substantial evidence in the historical and anthropological record of the sexual use of children by adults, surprisingly little is known about the etiology of pedophilia or its relation to other forms of sexual aggression. After briefly reviewing the research on pedophilia, we argue that one major difficulty in conducting or interpreting such research lies in the different definitions "pedophilia" has received. Most important, much of the research has accepted a legal definition of pedophilia, treating all offenders convicted of "child molestation" as pedophiles, regardless of the age or appearance of the victim. We argue that a distinction should be made between biological children and sociolegal children. Laws governing child molestation reflect sociolegal childhood, regardless of its discrepancy with biological childhood. "True" pedophiles should be identified by their preference for biological children. By using legal classifications, researchers may well be confusing two distinct types of offenders, child molesters and rapists, and confounding attempts to understand pedophilia. |
Take for example this story:
http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/nation/regions/10/22/08/brit-arrested-dumaguete-pedophilia
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The Bureau of Immigration on Wednesday said it has arrested a British national in Dumaguete City for alleged pedophilia.
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BI intelligence chief Faizal Hussin said Holden allegedly enticed the girls to have sex with him after making false promises of financial support. He said Holden would stop communicating with the victims after they got pregnant. |
Clearly he was arrested for having sex with post-pubescent girls, yet accused of pedophilia. |
I suggest you reread your abstract. It says that researchers have used cases of people 'convicted of "child molestation"' to do research on pedophilia, and thus it may not be accurate. I want to see one law where the wording includes the word.
Anyone reporter who writes "arrested for pedophilia" is misusing the word. I don't think you'll find that word in any law.
Sorry, but there is an important distinction between "sex with a minor" or "child sexual abuse" and "pedophilia."
In the diagnostic interview of someone brought in for a single act of sex with a minor, there is a long differential diagnosis, only one among which is pedophilia.
Pedophilia is not a crime. Child sexual abuse and statutory rape are.
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huffdaddy
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| Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 5:57 am Post subject: |
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Well, if it is a mental state, who better to determine that than psychiatrists? |
They're basing their definition on a physical state.
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Pedophilia is not a crime. Child sexual abuse and statutory rape are. |
Semantics. In general parlance, someone who fiddles with underage kids is a pedophile. |
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bacasper
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| Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 6:13 am Post subject: |
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Well, if it is a mental state, who better to determine that than psychiatrists? |
They're basing their definition on a physical state. |
They are characterizing the mental state of the individual with pedophilia as one whose sexual attraction is to the physical state of those to whom they are attracted.
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| Pedophilia is not a crime. Child sexual abuse and statutory rape are. |
Semantics. In general parlance, someone who fiddles with underage kids is a pedophile. |
This failure to distinguish, or worse yet, purposeful conflation of the terms is counterproductive to a proper understanding. Why collude in perpetuating misinformation? |
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huffdaddy
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| Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 6:24 am Post subject: |
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| bacasper wrote: |
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Well, if it is a mental state, who better to determine that than psychiatrists? |
They're basing their definition on a physical state. |
They are characterizing the mental state of the individual with pedophilia as one whose sexual attraction is to the physical state of those to whom they are attracted. |
Yes, but I'm talking about the mental state of the victim. i.e. Have they reached mental maturity, not physical maturity?
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| Pedophilia is not a crime. Child sexual abuse and statutory rape are. |
Semantics. In general parlance, someone who fiddles with underage kids is a pedophile. |
This failure to distinguish, or worse yet, purposeful conflation of the terms is counterproductive to a proper understanding. Why collude in perpetuating misinformation? |
I'm not a psychologist or psychiatrist so I'm not out to treat the perpetrator. If we call people who fiddle with post-pubescent minors "pedophiles," what's the problem? It's a lot easier than saying, "There's that guy who has sex with minors!"
We don't need PC terms for pedophiles. |
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bacasper
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| Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 7:01 am Post subject: |
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| huffdaddy wrote: |
| bacasper wrote: |
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Well, if it is a mental state, who better to determine that than psychiatrists? |
They're basing their definition on a physical state. |
They are characterizing the mental state of the individual with pedophilia as one whose sexual attraction is to the physical state of those to whom they are attracted. |
Yes, but I'm talking about the mental state of the victim. i.e. Have they reached mental maturity, not physical maturity? |
No offense, but I'll take the word of mental health professionals over that of huffdaddy.
BTW, how many pedophiles have you ever heard of who have been involved with people with post-pubertal bodies and immature minds? I haven't heard of any.
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| Pedophilia is not a crime. Child sexual abuse and statutory rape are. |
Semantics. In general parlance, someone who fiddles with underage kids is a pedophile. |
This failure to distinguish, or worse yet, purposeful conflation of the terms is counterproductive to a proper understanding. Why collude in perpetuating misinformation? |
I'm not a psychologist or psychiatrist so I'm not out to treat the perpetrator. If we call people who fiddle with post-pubescent minors "pedophiles," what's the problem? It's a lot easier than saying, "There's that guy who has sex with minors!"
We don't need PC terms for pedophiles. |
OK, so your aim is to arouse the lynch mob. I see.
And yes, the terms should be PC: psychiatrically correct. In contrast to your authoritarian orientation, mine is one of the helping professions. Good to know where we each stand. |
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huffdaddy
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| Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 7:15 am Post subject: |
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No offense, but I'll take the word of mental health professionals over that of huffdaddy. |
They're talking about the perps, not the victims. Different context, different terminology.
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| BTW, how many pedophiles have you ever heard of who have been involved with people with post-pubertal bodies and immature minds? I haven't heard of any. |
You think 14 year old children are mentally mature?
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OK, so your aim is to arouse the lynch mob. I see. |
I never said anything about lynching. But if someone is fiddling with underage children, I see no reason no pull punches just to be "psychiatrically correct."
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| And yes, the terms should be PC: psychiatrically correct. In contrast to your authoritarian orientation, mine is one of the helping professions. Good to know where we each stand. |
Again, I'm not a psychologist or psychiatrist. I'm not out to help pedophiles. |
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Enrico Palazzo
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