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bacasper



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 7:08 am    Post subject: Obama pressures allies to charge Wikileaks' Assange Reply with quote

U.S. Urges Allies to Crack Down on WikiLeaks

by Philip Shenon

The Obama administration has asked Britain, Germany, Australia, and other allies to consider criminal charges against Julian Assange for his Afghan war leaks.

The Obama administration is pressing Britain, Germany, Australia, and other allied Western governments to consider opening criminal investigations of WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange and to severely limit his nomadic travels across international borders, American officials say.

Officials tell The Daily Beast that the U.S. effort reflects a growing belief that WikiLeaks and organizations like it threaten grave damage to American national security, as well as a growing suspicion in Washington that Assange has damaged his own standing with foreign governments and organizations that might otherwise be sympathetic to his anti-censorship cause.

American officials confirmed last month that the Justice Department was weighing a range of criminal charges against Assange and others as a result of the massive leaking of classified U.S. military reports from the war in Afghanistan, including potential violations of the Espionage Act by Bradley Manning, the Army intelligence analyst in Iraq accused of providing the documents to WikiLeaks.

Now, the officials say, they want other foreign governments to consider the same sorts of criminal charges.

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recessiontime



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 7:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

okay it's official, I hate Obama and his administration. This was the straw that broke the camel's back.
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bacasper



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 8:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

His admin is trying to paint AI as against them, too!

Amnesty, Soft on U.S.-British Human Rights Abuses, Refuses to Help WikiLeaks?

Posted: 2010/08/10
From: Mathaba


London (mathaba) -- Amnesty International, often accused of being soft on the abuse of human rights in the U.S., Britain and Australia, and other large established organisations, are leaving the entire costs of reviewing the around 100,000 files leaked on the Afghan War, to WikiLeaks.

However, Amnesty International spokeswoman Susanna Flood confirmed there was no authorized statement on WikiLeaks, while the U.S. is leaking unattributed statements that the organisations and others are turning against WikiLeaks.

The Amnesty International Human Rights Committee (AIHRC) is primary funded by the occupying forces of Afghanista - the U.S. and Britain, where it has its headquarters.

Establishment media networks such as the B.B.C., and the U.S. Pentagon, also will not assist in reviewing the material to minimise harm to innocents in the much criticised war in Afghanistan.

A new petition to defend WikiLeaks is now gaining prominent signatures and a World Can't Wait peace movement gaining momentum with people showing the Collatoral Murder video on the streets.

WikiLeaks says that while they have done much to minimize risk on innocents of releasing documents, in an ongoing war waiting and doing nothing is also a risk.

With no way home and no escape in Iraq too, the U.S. abandons Iraqi collaborators to reprisals, WikiLeaks points out.

Afghan civilian casualties rose 31 per cent in first six months of 2010, according to the United Nations.

WikiLeaks is calling on people not to be fooled by the U.S. claims that "human rights groups" are critical of WikiLeaks, saying that there is no formal statement. Instead reports from the U.S. are being given anonymously to the Wall Street Journal, a usual technique of planting C.I.A. propaganda into media.

Meanwhile, the U.S. pro-war president Obama, not content to be defending and expanding the U.S. involvement in wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, is now having fantasies on Iran too.
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Leon



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 11:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

recessiontime wrote:
okay it's official, I hate Obama and his administration. This was the straw that broke the camel's back.


Of all the things, you picked this? Anybody in power would do the same thing, would practically have to. It's very bad policy to let intelligence out in the middle of an engagement. I have a feeling that life is going to be miserable for the person who leaked this. Wikileaks was irresponsible for posting everything they did, they should have removed all names and sensitive material.
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bacasper



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 6:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Leon wrote:
recessiontime wrote:
okay it's official, I hate Obama and his administration. This was the straw that broke the camel's back.


Of all the things, you picked this? Anybody in power would do the same thing, would practically have to. It's very bad policy to let intelligence out in the middle of an engagement. I have a feeling that life is going to be miserable for the person who leaked this. Wikileaks was irresponsible for posting everything they did, they should have removed all names and sensitive material.

The helicopter guys who shot the civilians were even more irresponsible. Is that what you are calling "intelligence"?

Exposing that in an attempt to prevent more, future such actions is the responsible thing to do.
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The Happy Warrior



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 6:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bacasper wrote:
Leon wrote:
recessiontime wrote:
okay it's official, I hate Obama and his administration. This was the straw that broke the camel's back.


Of all the things, you picked this? Anybody in power would do the same thing, would practically have to. It's very bad policy to let intelligence out in the middle of an engagement. I have a feeling that life is going to be miserable for the person who leaked this. Wikileaks was irresponsible for posting everything they did, they should have removed all names and sensitive material.

The helicopter guys who shot the civilians were even more irresponsible. Is that what you are calling "intelligence"?

Exposing that in an attempt to prevent more, future such actions is the responsible thing to do.


I agree. Exposing that incident was justified.

But Assange has gone much further than that.
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Leon



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 6:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Happy Warrior wrote:
bacasper wrote:
Leon wrote:
recessiontime wrote:
okay it's official, I hate Obama and his administration. This was the straw that broke the camel's back.


Of all the things, you picked this? Anybody in power would do the same thing, would practically have to. It's very bad policy to let intelligence out in the middle of an engagement. I have a feeling that life is going to be miserable for the person who leaked this. Wikileaks was irresponsible for posting everything they did, they should have removed all names and sensitive material.

The helicopter guys who shot the civilians were even more irresponsible. Is that what you are calling "intelligence"?

Exposing that in an attempt to prevent more, future such actions is the responsible thing to do.


I agree. Exposing that incident was justified.

But Assange has gone much further than that.


This is my stance as well. The video displayed the horror of war and the civilians in the crossfire, that is valuable. How many ordinary civilians actually read any of the classified reports, not many. How many Taliban, rouge governments, and terrorists read the reports, most. It was an intelligence disaster, but it didn't have to be. Names and sensitive material should have been redacted.
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bacasper



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 6:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The argument is just in matter of degree. There is a lot of stuff Assange didn't release.
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Leon



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 6:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bacasper wrote:
The argument is just in matter of degree. There is a lot of stuff Assange didn't release.


In a case like this degree is very important. He put real peoples lives in real danger.
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bacasper



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 6:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Leon wrote:
bacasper wrote:
The argument is just in matter of degree. There is a lot of stuff Assange didn't release.


In a case like this degree is very important. He put real peoples lives in real danger.
Exclamation Question
The Collateral Murder airmen murdered people!
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Leon



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 7:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bacasper wrote:
Leon wrote:
bacasper wrote:
The argument is just in matter of degree. There is a lot of stuff Assange didn't release.


In a case like this degree is very important. He put real peoples lives in real danger.
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The Collateral Murder airmen murdered people!
Shocked


Yeah, what's you're point? It is a matter of degree, just because it was right to release one video doesn't make it right to release thousands of documents full of names and strategy. It is a matter of scale.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 5:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bacasper wrote:
The argument is just in matter of degree. There is a lot of stuff Assange didn't release.



Such as? How do you know what he DIDN'T release?
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Leon



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 5:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheUrbanMyth wrote:
bacasper wrote:
The argument is just in matter of degree. There is a lot of stuff Assange didn't release.



Such as? How do you know what he DIDN'T release?


According to Assange he has about 15,000 pages of documents that he hasn't released yet.
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bacasper



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 7:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Leon wrote:
TheUrbanMyth wrote:
bacasper wrote:
The argument is just in matter of degree. There is a lot of stuff Assange didn't release.



Such as? How do you know what he DIDN'T release?


According to Assange he has about 15,000 pages of documents that he hasn't released yet.

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Fox



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 3:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Leon wrote:
Wikileaks was irresponsible for posting everything they did, they should have removed all names and sensitive material.


It was not irresponsible for wikileaks to post everything it did, because the safety of individuals involved in the employ of our government is not wikileaks' responsibility. The irresponsibility lies on the shoulders of government employees who leaked sensitive information, not on the recipient of said information.

I don't want our government legally harassing this man. If nothing else, he acts as a valuable troubleshooter; if he's able to get this information, it's not secure enough. If our government can't even prevent a known individual like this from receiving sensitive information, then it's got a problem that it needs to work on. And frankly, at this moment in time I'd rather err on the side of too much information coming to public attention than too little.
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