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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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 Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 8:43 am Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
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| recessiontime wrote: |
Don't worry, the cop apologists will be here any moment telling us how the kid deserved it.  |
| bacasper wrote: |
Well, then let me get the ball rolling for them:
"He shoulda stopped when the cop told him." |
| steelrails wrote: |
| The statement is true. If he had stopped he would still be alive. |
Good call, rec time (and me)! |
Care to address whether or not the kid stopping and not running has any impact on him being alive rather than just congratulating yourself for "predicting" things? |
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| If he had stopped he would still be alive. |
You don't know that. That insane cop was capable of anything, and it cannot be proven that he would not have killed the kid had he stopped anyway. |
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Leon
Joined: 31 May 2010
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| Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 12:03 pm Post subject: |
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This was no accident.
The fascist cop used deadly force, the squad car was his weapon, he aimed it at a child on a bicycle, hit his target and crushed the child. The child died. Murder by cop.
The child was not suspected of doing anything other than failure to kiss the rear of a low-life, fascist, bully cop. The child's only crime was: "black boy on bicycle needs to kiss cop's butt or die."
In a free country - cops have no right to stop innocent people. Innocent people have the right to ignore cops. Cops need to get used to this fact or they shouldn't be cops. But, it's no surprise that in the American fascist police state, a fascist tool of the state holding the position of judge will support his team. Police states make sure they have judges who are also evil. |
Is this a serious post? What makes the cop a fascist. Isn't enough to say police brutality and that what he did was wrong with out throwing buzz words into everything? |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 12:31 pm Post subject: |
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| bacasper wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
| bacasper wrote: |
| recessiontime wrote: |
| Don't worry, the cop apologists will be here any moment telling us how the kid deserved it. |
| bacasper wrote: |
Well, then let me get the ball rolling for them:
"He shoulda stopped when the cop told him." |
| steelrails wrote: |
| The statement is true. If he had stopped he would still be alive. |
Good call, rec time (and me)! |
Care to address whether or not the kid stopping and not running has any impact on him being alive rather than just congratulating yourself for "predicting" things? |
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| If he had stopped he would still be alive. |
You don't know that. That insane cop was capable of anything, and it cannot be proven that he would not have killed the kid had he stopped anyway. |
Oh come on.
The cop has deal with people running away before. Is he suddenly going to whip out his gun and shoot him?
Dude be honest with yourself and us. If the guy had stopped he would be alive. We all know that.
That's like saying its better to drive drunk because "Hey if I was sober, I'd drive slower and might get struck by on oncoming car."
The point i his odds of survival are significantly higher if he stops and coopoerates. Running from the police significantly increases your odds of injury, often through your own actions like say, running in front of traffic or slipping and falling.
USE COMMON SENSE. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 8:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| bacasper wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
| bacasper wrote: |
| recessiontime wrote: |
| Don't worry, the cop apologists will be here any moment telling us how the kid deserved it. |
| bacasper wrote: |
Well, then let me get the ball rolling for them:
"He shoulda stopped when the cop told him." |
| steelrails wrote: |
| The statement is true. If he had stopped he would still be alive. |
Good call, rec time (and me)! |
Care to address whether or not the kid stopping and not running has any impact on him being alive rather than just congratulating yourself for "predicting" things? |
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| If he had stopped he would still be alive. |
You don't know that. That insane cop was capable of anything, and it cannot be proven that he would not have killed the kid had he stopped anyway. |
Oh come on.
The cop has deal with people running away before. Is he suddenly going to whip out his gun and shoot him?
Dude be honest with yourself and us. If the guy had stopped he would be alive. We all know that.
That's like saying its better to drive drunk because "Hey if I was sober, I'd drive slower and might get struck by on oncoming car."
The point i his odds of survival are significantly higher if he stops and coopoerates. Running from the police significantly increases your odds of injury, often through your own actions like say, running in front of traffic or slipping and falling.
USE COMMON SENSE. |
YOU USE COMMON SENSE.
There is no way that, for suspicion of trespassing, that the teen should have been punished with the death penalty accused, judged, sentenced, and executed all by the same cop.
I cannot believe the lengths some people go to to defend murder by cop. |
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recessiontime
Joined: 21 Jun 2010
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| Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 3:58 am Post subject: |
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| I cannot believe the lengths some people go to to defend murder by cop. |
I believe it. See it all the time. Whenever there is police brutality the layman just the infallible knock-down arguments like:
"well, without police officers, there would be chaos"
QED.
Nevermind that they are using a false dichotomy fallacy. |
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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| Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 8:38 am Post subject: |
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| Leon wrote: |
| ontheway wrote: |
This was no accident.
The fascist cop used deadly force, the squad car was his weapon, he aimed it at a child on a bicycle, hit his target and crushed the child. The child died. Murder by cop.
The child was not suspected of doing anything other than failure to kiss the rear of a low-life, fascist, bully cop. The child's only crime was: "black boy on bicycle needs to kiss cop's butt or die."
In a free country - cops have no right to stop innocent people. Innocent people have the right to ignore cops. Cops need to get used to this fact or they shouldn't be cops. But, it's no surprise that in the American fascist police state, a fascist tool of the state holding the position of judge will support his team. Police states make sure they have judges who are also evil. |
Is this a serious post? What makes the cop a fascist. Isn't enough to say police brutality and that what he did was wrong with out throwing buzz words into everything? |
Actually, the cop is worse than a fascist. Yes, this is a serious post. If you watch the video you can see the evil, fascist, racist, murdering cop attacking a child on a bicycle with a large lethal weapon - his police cruiser. This was an attack. It was no accident that the child died. It was murder in the 2nd degree. If anyone other than a cop protected by a police state had done this, and recorded the act on his own video camera, the whole world would be up in arms against him. The whole world should be up in arms against this evil murderer. It is an insult to other cops to even call this pig a cop. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 10:52 am Post subject: |
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| ontheway wrote: |
| Leon wrote: |
| ontheway wrote: |
This was no accident.
The fascist cop used deadly force, the squad car was his weapon, he aimed it at a child on a bicycle, hit his target and crushed the child. The child died. Murder by cop.
The child was not suspected of doing anything other than failure to kiss the rear of a low-life, fascist, bully cop. The child's only crime was: "black boy on bicycle needs to kiss cop's butt or die."
In a free country - cops have no right to stop innocent people. Innocent people have the right to ignore cops. Cops need to get used to this fact or they shouldn't be cops. But, it's no surprise that in the American fascist police state, a fascist tool of the state holding the position of judge will support his team. Police states make sure they have judges who are also evil. |
Is this a serious post? What makes the cop a fascist. Isn't enough to say police brutality and that what he did was wrong with out throwing buzz words into everything? |
Actually, the cop is worse than a fascist. Yes, this is a serious post. If you watch the video you can see the evil, fascist, racist, murdering cop attacking a child on a bicycle with a large lethal weapon - his police cruiser. This was an attack. It was no accident that the child died. It was murder in the 2nd degree. If anyone other than a cop protected by a police state had done this, and recorded the act on his own video camera, the whole world would be up in arms against him. The whole world should be up in arms against this evil murderer. It is an insult to other cops to even call this pig a cop. |
Except that he didn't attack him.
The kid ran, the cop pursued, the kid slipped and fell, the cop accidentally ran over him.
If it was an attack why did the cop call for an ambulance immediately?
But for the kid running he would not have died. Or are you seriously going to try and claim that the cop would have deliberately ran over a surrendering suspect?
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YOU USE COMMON SENSE.
There is no way that, for suspicion of trespassing, that the teen should have been punished with the death penalty accused, judged, sentenced, and executed all by the same cop.
I cannot believe the lengths some people go to to defend murder by cop. |
Except he wasn't judged and sentenced and executed.
Again, The victim voluntarily fled the officer and disobeyed a lawful order to stop. The cop pursued, perhaps too close (but then again when you chase someone you can't give them too big a lead), the kid slipped and fell. The cop accidentally ran over him. The cop would have been failing to perform his duties had he not pursued.
Again, There are a few simple rules for not being a victim of police brutality-
1. DON'T COMMIT CRIME.
2. STOP IMMEDIATELY.
3. BE POLITE.
4. USE COMMON SENSE.
If you do those things, you probably won't be a victim of police brutality.
The lengths people are going to dress this up and avoid the truth is astounding.
None of the 'police brutality' side seems willing to admit that
A)If the kid had stopped in all likelihood he would still be alive.
B)The whole thing was an accident.
But hey if you're ever in a situation where you're driving and a fatality results, I hope you take the first step and brand yourself a murderer in the worst way. Accident? Nonsense, you're a murderer. |
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Leon
Joined: 31 May 2010
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| Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 12:34 pm Post subject: |
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| ontheway wrote: |
| Leon wrote: |
| ontheway wrote: |
This was no accident.
The fascist cop used deadly force, the squad car was his weapon, he aimed it at a child on a bicycle, hit his target and crushed the child. The child died. Murder by cop.
The child was not suspected of doing anything other than failure to kiss the rear of a low-life, fascist, bully cop. The child's only crime was: "black boy on bicycle needs to kiss cop's butt or die."
In a free country - cops have no right to stop innocent people. Innocent people have the right to ignore cops. Cops need to get used to this fact or they shouldn't be cops. But, it's no surprise that in the American fascist police state, a fascist tool of the state holding the position of judge will support his team. Police states make sure they have judges who are also evil. |
Is this a serious post? What makes the cop a fascist. Isn't enough to say police brutality and that what he did was wrong with out throwing buzz words into everything? |
Actually, the cop is worse than a fascist. Yes, this is a serious post. If you watch the video you can see the evil, fascist, racist, murdering cop attacking a child on a bicycle with a large lethal weapon - his police cruiser. This was an attack. It was no accident that the child died. It was murder in the 2nd degree. If anyone other than a cop protected by a police state had done this, and recorded the act on his own video camera, the whole world would be up in arms against him. The whole world should be up in arms against this evil murderer. It is an insult to other cops to even call this pig a cop. |
I agree he might be a evil murderer, but that doesn't mean he's a fascist. That was the point of my post. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 8:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| ontheway wrote: |
| Leon wrote: |
| ontheway wrote: |
This was no accident.
The fascist cop used deadly force, the squad car was his weapon, he aimed it at a child on a bicycle, hit his target and crushed the child. The child died. Murder by cop.
The child was not suspected of doing anything other than failure to kiss the rear of a low-life, fascist, bully cop. The child's only crime was: "black boy on bicycle needs to kiss cop's butt or die."
In a free country - cops have no right to stop innocent people. Innocent people have the right to ignore cops. Cops need to get used to this fact or they shouldn't be cops. But, it's no surprise that in the American fascist police state, a fascist tool of the state holding the position of judge will support his team. Police states make sure they have judges who are also evil. |
Is this a serious post? What makes the cop a fascist. Isn't enough to say police brutality and that what he did was wrong with out throwing buzz words into everything? |
Actually, the cop is worse than a fascist. Yes, this is a serious post. If you watch the video you can see the evil, fascist, racist, murdering cop attacking a child on a bicycle with a large lethal weapon - his police cruiser. This was an attack. It was no accident that the child died. It was murder in the 2nd degree. If anyone other than a cop protected by a police state had done this, and recorded the act on his own video camera, the whole world would be up in arms against him. The whole world should be up in arms against this evil murderer. It is an insult to other cops to even call this pig a cop. |
Except that he didn't attack him.
The kid ran, the cop pursued, the kid slipped and fell, the cop accidentally ran over him. |
And I suppose he "accidentally" placed the gun in the kid's pocket, too. 
This cop fetishism has got to end. Creating crimes, killing people - and we have citizens cheer-leading for them. Just mind-boggling. 
| Leon wrote: |
| I agree he might be a evil murderer |
I am glad at least some of us can agree on this. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Sat Aug 14, 2010 1:26 am Post subject: |
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| bacasper wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
| ontheway wrote: |
| Leon wrote: |
| ontheway wrote: |
This was no accident.
The fascist cop used deadly force, the squad car was his weapon, he aimed it at a child on a bicycle, hit his target and crushed the child. The child died. Murder by cop.
The child was not suspected of doing anything other than failure to kiss the rear of a low-life, fascist, bully cop. The child's only crime was: "black boy on bicycle needs to kiss cop's butt or die."
In a free country - cops have no right to stop innocent people. Innocent people have the right to ignore cops. Cops need to get used to this fact or they shouldn't be cops. But, it's no surprise that in the American fascist police state, a fascist tool of the state holding the position of judge will support his team. Police states make sure they have judges who are also evil. |
Is this a serious post? What makes the cop a fascist. Isn't enough to say police brutality and that what he did was wrong with out throwing buzz words into everything? |
Actually, the cop is worse than a fascist. Yes, this is a serious post. If you watch the video you can see the evil, fascist, racist, murdering cop attacking a child on a bicycle with a large lethal weapon - his police cruiser. This was an attack. It was no accident that the child died. It was murder in the 2nd degree. If anyone other than a cop protected by a police state had done this, and recorded the act on his own video camera, the whole world would be up in arms against him. The whole world should be up in arms against this evil murderer. It is an insult to other cops to even call this pig a cop. |
Except that he didn't attack him.
The kid ran, the cop pursued, the kid slipped and fell, the cop accidentally ran over him. |
And I suppose he "accidentally" placed the gun in the kid's pocket, too.
This cop fetishism has got to end. Creating crimes, killing people - and we have citizens cheer-leading for them. Just mind-boggling.
| Leon wrote: |
| I agree he might be a evil murderer |
I am glad at least some of us can agree on this. |
No one's cheering the cops. There are plenty of cases where the cops are scum. I'm just saying, until you have firm evidence of a weapons plant (which does happen) this is not one of those cases. So far it looks like an accident. One that was brought on by the kid deciding to run.
Once again- We're just saying if you take off runnin, stuff might happen.
As for whether or not a gun was planted, the object was described as floppy. Perhaps something to dress a wound? |
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recessiontime
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bacasper
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| Posted: Sat Aug 14, 2010 7:11 am Post subject: |
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The caller was obviously rallying his terrorist buddies to come down and assault the cops so he deserved it, no? |
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recessiontime
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| Posted: Sat Aug 14, 2010 8:14 am Post subject: |
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The caller was obviously rallying his terrorist buddies to come down and assault the cops so he deserved it, no? |
The officer claims that the 23 yr old was clenching fist...he was also talking rather aggressively on that cell phone.
Man, I wish something like that would happen to me and get it all on video so I could sue the police department and get rich. This might be the new thing in the recession. Piss off cops, make them assault you --->profit. |
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bacasper
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| Posted: Sat Aug 14, 2010 8:59 am Post subject: |
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| recessiontime wrote: |
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The caller was obviously rallying his terrorist buddies to come down and assault the cops so he deserved it, no? |
The officer claims that the 23 yr old was clenching fist...he was also talking rather aggressively on that cell phone.
Man, I wish something like that would happen to me and get it all on video so I could sue the police department and get rich. This might be the new thing in the recession. Piss off cops, make them assault you --->profit. |
Just don't be riding a bike when you do it.
Mind if I take out a life insurance policy on you? |
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Steelrails
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| Posted: Sat Aug 14, 2010 12:28 pm Post subject: |
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I'm on a new laptop and I can't get the video to play but from the story it certainly seems the cops were out of line.
The facts in the OPs case seem pretty certain- That the cops told the suspect to stop becuase he was under suspicion, he ran, the cops chased him, he slipped and fell, he got run over, officer pulled something out of the car.
Look just as there are scuzzbucket cops and cop apologists so too are there anarchists with no sense of law and order who irrationally blame the police for everything.
I love how the same people who say a cop should tolerate any kind of abuse hurled at them are them same people who say "man if anyone disrespected me like that I'd stomp them".
It's easy to criticize, but you go try and be police. Suddenly you aren't such a big talker.
Unless you've done the job all you are is talk.
Everyone thinks the cops are nazis until they have to work the night owl shift at the gas station/corner store. After that first time getting locked in the cooler or pistol whipped by a robber suddenly everyone sings a different tune. Are there some dirtbag cops? Sure and seems like a lot of cops are cracking these days but remember the other guys are way worse.
Unless you think muggers and rapists respond to flowers and hugs... |
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