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Do you think there should be consequences for being wrong in this case?

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mises

Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired

Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 6:41 am Post subject:

Paranoid.. I always enjoy it when the language of disorder is used inappropriately. It really strengthens an argument.

Adam Carolla

Joined: 26 Feb 2010

Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 8:26 am Post subject:

mises wrote:

Paranoid.. I always enjoy it when the language of disorder is used inappropriately. It really strengthens an argument.

What I enjoy is the semantic game playing of people who attempt to misrepresent someone's point. I think it's quite clear that of the two follow definitions of paranoia:

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1. Psychiatry . a mental disorder characterized by systematized delusions and the projection of personal conflicts, which are ascribed to the supposed hostility of others, sometimes progressing to disturbances of consciousness and aggressive acts believed to be performed in self-defense or as a mission.

2. baseless or excessive suspicion of the motives of others.

I was using the second definition. Of course, you have no problem with attempting to portray me as the type of person who willy-nilly labels other people as insane. Yes, because that really strengthens an argument.

bacasper

Joined: 26 Mar 2007

Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 9:02 am Post subject:

Adam Carolla wrote:

Statistically, you'd have to fly something like every day for 10,000 years before it became probable for you to be in an airplane accident. That's over 3 million flights. When a person feels, for whatever reason, that the particular flight they are on is in danger (before it even taxis), that person can and should be viewed as excessively paranoid.

Adam, I am afraid your formulation here is mistaken.

First, "excessive paranoia" is redundant, as paranoia is, by definition, excessive (the claims of my former analyst who told me I lacked a "healthy paranoia" notwithstanding).

Then, someone who is overly afraid of flying is not paranoid but phobic, aviphobic to be exact.

Your previous formulation

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How about this: if you're the type of person who believes the members of the flight crew, the co-pilot, the airport staff, and the airline don't have safeguards in place that make it statistically almost impossible for a drunk pilot to actually reach the flight deck and fly the plane, well, I would say you probably are better off just not flying

more closely approaches paranoia.

Adam Carolla

Joined: 26 Feb 2010

Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 9:55 am Post subject:

bacasper wrote:

Adam Carolla wrote:

Reading comprehension is your friend. First of all, from the context, it's quite apparent I'm not talking about people with a fear of flying. Second, regardless of context, I state quite specifically, and you may refer to the appropriate section above, that people who were afraid of a particular flight for some reason might be paranoid.

And finally, re: your point on redundancy: needlessly pedantic. There are degrees of paranoia, some might be deemed appropriate, and some might not, hence: excessive.

bacasper

Joined: 26 Mar 2007

Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 10:04 am Post subject:

...ahh, pearls before swine...

Adam Carolla

Joined: 26 Feb 2010

Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 10:13 am Post subject:

bacasper wrote:

...ahh, pearls before swine...

Rest assured, the feeling is mutual.

Adam Carolla

Joined: 26 Feb 2010

Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 10:16 am Post subject:

In other news,

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"Airport Customer Service, in consultation with the flight crew, determined that because the passenger continued to express concern even after the pilot was cleared that it would be best to reaccomodate her on another flight," Elliot wrote in her email to the AJC."

A) She was paranoid (I win, thank you very much)

B) She brought it on herself.

Theme

Joined: 06 Jun 2009
Location: Cedar Rapids Iowa

Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 10:18 am Post subject: I am glad this topic gathered some life

The reason why this woman bugs me, ( who has a name by the way) is that she is a contemporary of mine. I have seen dozens of woman like her , who think they know everything , and when they talk, they think, people should listen. I am taking a two week vacation in Korea next week after working there from 95 to 2008 , imagine that!

bacasper

Joined: 26 Mar 2007

Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 9:54 pm Post subject:

Adam Carolla wrote:

bacasper wrote:

...ahh, pearls before swine...

Rest assured, the feeling is mutual.

Hypersensitive, are we?

Captain Corea

Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul

Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 10:38 pm Post subject:

Louis VI wrote:

Captain Corea wrote:

What she did was fine. She simply posed a question, and it was answered. There was no reason to remove her form the plane if she was simply sitting in her seat.

Are you drunk Captain Corea? Or are you just crazy?

Not in the least. How is this comment adding to the situation/conversation?

I see no problem with posing the question, and I see no problem with a pilot taking a breathalyzer before flying. Heck, I'd be fine with breathalyzer being attached to every plane.

But again I ask - why kick her off for asking politely? Once the question is asked and answered, what risk does she pose to the flight?

Theme

Joined: 06 Jun 2009
Location: Cedar Rapids Iowa

Posted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 6:43 pm Post subject:

Captain Corea wrote:

But again I ask - why kick her off for asking politely? Once the question is asked and answered, what risk does she pose to the flight?

That question has been addressed and answered.

mises

Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired

Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2010 10:23 am Post subject:

Adam Carolla wrote:

mises wrote:

Adam Carolla wrote:

mises wrote:

If I smelled booze on the pilots breath I'd mention it. I'd also be happy to get kicked off. There have been times in the past where pilots have been caught drinking on the job. It is not impossible.

But you realize that what you're essentially doing is saying: Look, flight crew, co-pilots, gate attendants, etc. This whiff of what may have been Listerine for all I know that I just caught while passing the pilot's vicinity, which may not even have emanated from the pilot himself, well, I'm just going to assume:

a) My olfactory powers are better than people who are actually in constant contact with the pilot, or

b) Other people can smell the booze on the pilot's breath and apparently they really have no concern for their own lives, unlike me.

Essentially, if you don't trust the system in place, you shouldn't be flying.

Sure, I'll swim around the world.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/09/14/AR2010091403655.html

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Dutch police: Drunk US pilot pulled from plane

AMSTERDAM -- Dutch police say they have arrested and fined an intoxicated American pilot who was preparing to take off with a passenger jet.

The National Police Corps has not identified the pilot or his airline, but says he is a 52-year-old captain from Woodbury, New Jersey. He does not fly for a Dutch airline, according to a police statement published Tuesday.

Police say they arrested the man in the cockpit of his plane after an anonymous tip. A breath test found he had a blood alcohol content of 0.023 percent - a hair above the legal limit in the Netherlands.

Paranoid Dutch police. Don't they know the odds?

The Happy Warrior

Joined: 10 Feb 2010

Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2010 10:25 am Post subject:

mises wrote:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/09/14/AR2010091403655.html

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Paranoid Dutch police. Don't they know the odds?

They're low. And when airplane crashes happen, capitalism itself is to blame.

mises

Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired

Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2010 10:30 am Post subject:

Well, capitalism and AIPAC.

sluggo832004

Joined: 04 Sep 2010

Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 5:58 pm Post subject:

lol............

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