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bacasper



Joined: 26 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Mon Aug 16, 2010 11:02 pm    Post subject: Aging inmates straining prison systems Reply with quote

Let's sentence even more harmless guys to 30-to-life! We can just print the money to pay for it anyway.

I love what the native Texan said.


Aging inmates straining prison systems

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Ballard is among the national surge in elderly inmates whose medical expenses are straining cash-strapped states and have officials looking for solutions, including early release, some possibly to nursing homes. Ballard says he's fine where he is.

"I'd be a burden on my kids," said the native Texan. "I'd rather be a burden to these people."


That burden is becoming greater as the American Civil Liberties Union estimates that elderly prisoners are � the fastest growing segment of the prison population, largely because of tough sentencing laws� and are three times more expensive to incarcerate than younger inmates.

The ACLU estimates that it costs about $72,000 to house an elderly inmate for a year, compared to $24,000 for a younger prisoner.

The federal Bureau of Justice Statistics reported that the number of men and women in state and federal prisons age 55 and older grew 76 percent between 1999 and 2008, the latest year available, from 43,300 to 76,400. The growth of the entire prison population grew only 18 percent in that period.

"We're reaping the fruits of bad public policy like Three Strikes laws and other mandatory minimum sentencing laws," said David C. Fathi, director of the ACLU National Prison Project in Washington, D.C. "One in 11 prisoners is serving a life sentence."

full article at link
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djsmnc



Joined: 20 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 4:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mass graves were invented for this very reason!
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Leon



Joined: 31 May 2010

PostPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 5:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

djsmnc wrote:
Mass graves were invented for this very reason!


You're not thinking big enough, I say we go for more of a Soylent Green approach.
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Louis VI



Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 5:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

djsmnc wrote:
Mass graves were invented for this very reason!

What a stupid thing to say.
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Seoulio



Joined: 02 Jan 2010

PostPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 5:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well lets stop paying for

weight rooms
3 course meals
Rec rooms
Education
computers
fine linens

etc

and then maybe we can pay for the minimal health needs of the convicts.

Isnt Prison supposed to be a deterrent to crime?

Prison should be a place where you get a dirty floor, a bucket to take a piss and dump in, you sleep with cockroaches and get a glass of water and a piece of bread meat and cheese once a day.

You get let out once and thats to shower, and in that shower the guards pay bull queers to gang rape you in the shower each and every day.

And there should be tougher sentencing on minor crap, you get caught with drugs, you go to jail, you get caught stealing you go to jail, you get caught driving drunk, you go to jail.

Lastly, cut down on the care you give the older inmates. Say "this is what prison has, and if it's not enough then hey I guess you are out of luck, maybe you should have thought about that before you broke the law and jerked off society"

If people thought that they may get sick and die of something simple while in Prison then they may not want to go there. BUT while prisoners get better health care than the rest of the population OF COURSE you are going to get people in there abusing it
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bucheon bum



Joined: 16 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 6:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Louis VI wrote:
djsmnc wrote:
Mass graves were invented for this very reason!

What a stupid thing to say.


Not a fan of dark humor huh? I thought it was amusing personally.
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bucheon bum



Joined: 16 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 6:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seoulio wrote:
Well lets stop paying for

weight rooms
3 course meals
Rec rooms
Education
computers
fine linens

etc

and then maybe we can pay for the minimal health needs of the convicts.

Isnt Prison supposed to be a deterrent to crime?

Prison should be a place where you get a dirty floor, a bucket to take a piss and dump in, you sleep with cockroaches and get a glass of water and a piece of bread meat and cheese once a day.

You get let out once and thats to shower, and in that shower the guards pay bull queers to gang rape you in the shower each and every day.

And there should be tougher sentencing on minor crap, you get caught with drugs, you go to jail, you get caught stealing you go to jail, you get caught driving drunk, you go to jail.

Lastly, cut down on the care you give the older inmates. Say "this is what prison has, and if it's not enough then hey I guess you are out of luck, maybe you should have thought about that before you broke the law and jerked off society"

If people thought that they may get sick and die of something simple while in Prison then they may not want to go there. BUT while prisoners get better health care than the rest of the population OF COURSE you are going to get people in there abusing it


You just love to talk don't you?

Here is an idea: release the old farts. And just beause they are felons, they don't lose all their rights. Cutting down on care would just lead to law suits.

Idea 2: Legalize drugs. That alone would decrease the prisoner rate enough where this wouldn't even be an issue.
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On the other hand



Joined: 19 Apr 2003
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 7:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seoulio:

Most of your suggestions about changing the prison system seem to be intended as serious. However...

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You get let out once and thats to shower, and in that shower the guards pay bull queers to gang rape you in the shower each and every day.


When you advocate gang rape as government policy, well, it's difficult for the reader to draw any other conclusion besides either a) your posts aren't meant to be taken seriously, or b) you are a deranged fascist. Either way, it doesn't really do much to advance thoughful consideration of your position.
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bacasper



Joined: 26 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 7:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seoulio wrote:
Well lets stop paying for

weight rooms
3 course meals
Rec rooms
Education
computers
fine linens

etc

and then maybe we can pay for the minimal health needs of the convicts.

Fine linens? Question Question Question Shocked
Good; for a moment there I thought you were serious. Rolling Eyes
Do you have any idea what a pittance those things cost compared to staff salaries, building maintenance, security, etc?

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Isnt Prison supposed to be a deterrent to crime?

It is also supposed to be a place of rehabilitation.

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You get let out once and thats to shower, and in that shower the guards pay bull queers to gang rape you in the shower each and every day.

I won't even dignify this with a response.

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And there should be tougher sentencing on minor crap, you get caught with drugs, you go to jail, you get caught stealing you go to jail, you get caught driving drunk, you go to jail.

So we already have the highest incarceration rate in world history, and it should go higher? You missed the entire point of the article, which is we do not even have the wherewithal to pay for our current incarcerated numbers.

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Lastly, cut down on the care you give the older inmates. Say "this is what prison has, and if it's not enough then hey I guess you are out of luck, maybe you should have thought about that before you broke the law and jerked off society"

If people thought that they may get sick and die of something simple while in Prison then they may not want to go there. BUT while prisoners get better health care than the rest of the population OF COURSE you are going to get people in there abusing it

You have obviously never had anyone close to you go to prison, or known anyone falsely convicted.
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djsmnc



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 9:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why not just pay Christian Scientiststs or shamans a far smaller fee to take care of all the medical needs of prisoners? I'm sure healing stones and such wouldn't take too much out of the budget! That way you technically aren't neglecting them or just allowing them to die.
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recessiontime



Joined: 21 Jun 2010
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 10:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a better idea. Instead of citizens working and paying tax money to fund criminals we make the criminals work.

I'm not a big starcraft II fan but in their universe, they send criminals to the front lines to get slaughtered. Why can't we do the same by sending criminals to the front lines in Afghanistan to catch bullets?
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Captain Corea



Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 11:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

recessiontime wrote:
make the criminals work.


I'd be fine with them raising their own food stuffs
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Leon



Joined: 31 May 2010

PostPosted: Wed Aug 18, 2010 4:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

recessiontime wrote:
I have a better idea. Instead of citizens working and paying tax money to fund criminals we make the criminals work.

I'm not a big starcraft II fan but in their universe, they send criminals to the front lines to get slaughtered. Why can't we do the same by sending criminals to the front lines in Afghanistan to catch bullets?


Because they'd be the best soldiers? Because the thing Afghanistan needs right now is more criminals? Anyways I don't necessarily agree that just because someone is older that they are less dangerous or that they intrinsically deserve their time cut more than anyone else.
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recessiontime



Joined: 21 Jun 2010
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 18, 2010 5:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I meant criminals in general, sending old ones to the front lines doesn't make much sense. The old ones can do other menial jobs like growing crops on farmland.
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caniff



Joined: 03 Feb 2004
Location: All over the map

PostPosted: Wed Aug 18, 2010 7:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why don't we just send them to Australia like in the old days?

(caniff ducks)
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