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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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 Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 9:51 pm Post subject: Ron Paul to run in 2012! |
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Let's hope it pans out.
Semi-Official: Ron Paul to Run for President in 2012, Will Announce in January 2011
By RonPaul.com on August 16, 2010
Ron Paul is planning to run against Obama in 2012, according to hardcore activist and Paul insider Matt Collins.
For strategic reasons, Ron Paul is expected to make his official announcement in January 2011. However, Collins was apparently authorized to leak this important information to the community so we all know about Ron Paul�s plans and can prepare accordingly.
For all practical purposes, Ron Paul 2012 starts TODAY!!
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With his son is in the Senate and his much-increased name recognition now, media will be hard-pressed to marginalize him this time. |
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Beeyee
Joined: 29 May 2007
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| Posted: Wed Aug 18, 2010 1:16 am Post subject: |
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Great news! 
Expect the smear campaigns to start right about now. |
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Leon
Joined: 31 May 2010
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| Posted: Wed Aug 18, 2010 4:53 am Post subject: |
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| Beeyee wrote: |
Great news!
Expect the smear campaigns to start right about now. |
And here it goes, call me Nostradamus because here's how it will play out. Ron Paul will be gone after the primaries with somewhere between 10-15% of the total vote, won't win a single state, but will have the most home made signs along the highways and the loudest student groups at colleges. |
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Louis VI
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
Location: In my Kingdom
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| Posted: Wed Aug 18, 2010 5:05 am Post subject: |
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Ron Paul will take away some of the Republican vote that's libertarian and small government minded, maybe even a decent chunk of tea partiers, certainly not a whole heck of the Obama base. In effect...
Ron Paul to help Obama get a second term! |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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| Posted: Wed Aug 18, 2010 8:15 am Post subject: |
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| certainly not a whole heck of the Obama base |
I would tend to agree. The only point of contact between Ron Paul and liberal Democrats is his anti-war stance. But if that were a serious vote-getter, then Ralph Nader would have done a lot better than he did.
I'm not sure about Paul's appeal to Republicans, though. I'd be interested to know how many GOP voters really buy into the idea that these foreign interventions are rotten from top to bottom and need to be halted forthwith. Maybe in a tight race, there would be enough of them thinking that way to poach sufficient votes away from the Republican candidate and tip things Obama's way.
But you can bet that, in the event of Paul running as a presdidential candidate, the Republicans will be tossing every "pro-jihadi, soft-on-terrorism" epithet in the book at him. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Wed Aug 18, 2010 8:33 am Post subject: |
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| Leon wrote: |
| Beeyee wrote: |
Great news!
Expect the smear campaigns to start right about now. |
And here it goes, call me Nostradamus because here's how it will play out. Ron Paul will be gone after the primaries with somewhere between 10-15% of the total vote, won't win a single state, but will have the most home made signs along the highways and the loudest student groups at colleges. |
You guys do not seem to realize that this will not be a replay of 2008. Paul has a lot more name recognition now, many more people learned about him during the last election, and his rabid supporters learned from the mistakes they made last time. His campaign will be much more formidable this time.
Let's look at the polls:
Election 2012: Barack Obama 42%, Ron Paul 41%
Winning the election will be easy. It is getting the nomination that will be the hard part. |
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mithridates
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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| Posted: Wed Aug 18, 2010 9:18 am Post subject: |
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| Churchill was 76 when he became prime minister for the second time. |
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recessiontime
Joined: 21 Jun 2010
Location: Got avatar privileges nyahahaha
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| Posted: Wed Aug 18, 2010 9:59 am Post subject: |
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id vote for him despite the fact that he does not believe in evolution.
I can imagine they will smear him with this all day long. |
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Leon
Joined: 31 May 2010
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| Posted: Wed Aug 18, 2010 12:59 pm Post subject: |
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| bacasper wrote: |
| Leon wrote: |
| Beeyee wrote: |
Great news!
Expect the smear campaigns to start right about now. |
And here it goes, call me Nostradamus because here's how it will play out. Ron Paul will be gone after the primaries with somewhere between 10-15% of the total vote, won't win a single state, but will have the most home made signs along the highways and the loudest student groups at colleges. |
You guys do not seem to realize that this will not be a replay of 2008. Paul has a lot more name recognition now, many more people learned about him during the last election, and his rabid supporters learned from the mistakes they made last time. His campaign will be much more formidable this time.
Let's look at the polls:
Election 2012: Barack Obama 42%, Ron Paul 41%
Winning the election will be easy. It is getting the nomination that will be the hard part. |
If he made out of the primaries, he won't, he would be slaughtered. Too many republicans wouldn't vote and he would insure that every democrat would show up. He is too out of line from the mainstream and would be destroyed in a debate, not say he wouldn't debate well, just that when people hear him explaining his ideas that won't want anything to do with it.
This part in the poll shows how miserably he would do.
"thirty-nine percent (39%) of all voters have a favorable opinion of Paul, while 30% view him unfavorably. This includes 10% with a very favorable opinion and 12% with a very unfavorable one. But nearly one-out-of-three voters (32%) are not sure what they think of Paul.
Perhaps tellingly, just 42% of Republican voters have a favorable view of him, including eight percent (8%) with a very favorable opinion. By comparison, 42% of unaffiliated voters regard him favorably, with 15% very favorable toward him.
Twenty-six percent (26%) of GOP voters think Paul shares the values of most Republican voters throughout the nation, but 25% disagree. Forty-nine percent (49%) are not sure.
Similarly, 27% of Republicans see Paul as a divisive force in the party, while 30% view him as a new direction for the GOP. Forty-two percent (42%) aren�t sure.
Among all voters, 19% say Paul shares the values of most Republican voters, and 27% disagree. Fifty-four percent (54%) are undecided.
Twenty-one percent (21%) of voters nationwide regard Paul as a divisive force in the GOP. Thirty-four percent (34%) say he is representative of a new direction for the party. Forty-five percent (45%) are not sure."
Basically the republicans don't view him favorably and many don't know much about him. |
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catman
Joined: 18 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Wed Aug 18, 2010 6:20 pm Post subject: |
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| If he doesn't get the GOP nomination will he run as an indepedent? |
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The Happy Warrior
Joined: 10 Feb 2010
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| Posted: Wed Aug 18, 2010 6:34 pm Post subject: |
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I'm leaning towards Ron Paul this time. He won't win, though. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Wed Aug 18, 2010 8:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Leon wrote: |
| bacasper wrote: |
| Leon wrote: |
| Beeyee wrote: |
Great news!
Expect the smear campaigns to start right about now. |
And here it goes, call me Nostradamus because here's how it will play out. Ron Paul will be gone after the primaries with somewhere between 10-15% of the total vote, won't win a single state, but will have the most home made signs along the highways and the loudest student groups at colleges. |
You guys do not seem to realize that this will not be a replay of 2008. Paul has a lot more name recognition now, many more people learned about him during the last election, and his rabid supporters learned from the mistakes they made last time. His campaign will be much more formidable this time.
Let's look at the polls:
Election 2012: Barack Obama 42%, Ron Paul 41%
Winning the election will be easy. It is getting the nomination that will be the hard part. |
If he made out of the primaries, he won't, he would be slaughtered. Too many republicans wouldn't vote and he would insure that every democrat would show up. He is too out of line from the mainstream and would be destroyed in a debate, not say he wouldn't debate well, just that when people hear him explaining his ideas that won't want anything to do with it.
This part in the poll shows how miserably he would do.
"thirty-nine percent (39%) of all voters have a favorable opinion of Paul, while 30% view him unfavorably. This includes 10% with a very favorable opinion and 12% with a very unfavorable one. But nearly one-out-of-three voters (32%) are not sure what they think of Paul.
Perhaps tellingly, just 42% of Republican voters have a favorable view of him, including eight percent (8%) with a very favorable opinion. By comparison, 42% of unaffiliated voters regard him favorably, with 15% very favorable toward him.
Twenty-six percent (26%) of GOP voters think Paul shares the values of most Republican voters throughout the nation, but 25% disagree. Forty-nine percent (49%) are not sure.
Similarly, 27% of Republicans see Paul as a divisive force in the party, while 30% view him as a new direction for the GOP. Forty-two percent (42%) aren�t sure.
Among all voters, 19% say Paul shares the values of most Republican voters, and 27% disagree. Fifty-four percent (54%) are undecided.
Twenty-one percent (21%) of voters nationwide regard Paul as a divisive force in the GOP. Thirty-four percent (34%) say he is representative of a new direction for the party. Forty-five percent (45%) are not sure."
Basically the republicans don't view him favorably and many don't know much about him. |
All this tells us is that many people still don't know much about him. The thing is as they get to know him, most people get to love him.
And you left out these important numbers:
58% of Mainstream voters favor Paul; and
Voters not affiliated with either major party give Paul a 47% to 28% edge over the president.
As even you admit, he is a great debater. He has a natural, logical, common sense delivery while showing a great command and fount of knowledge about facts and details.
And he appeals to all the anti-war and pro-pot Democrats and Independents.
| The Happy Warrior wrote: |
| I'm leaning towards Ron Paul this time. He won't win, though. |
That's no attitude!   |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed Aug 18, 2010 8:48 pm Post subject: |
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| bacasper wrote: |
Winning the election will be easy. It is getting the nomination that will be the hard part. |
Yes, I think he'd be reasonably competitive if he managed to get through the primary. I don't think he'll make it through the primary, though. I don't think he'll even come close. The things that make him potentially appealing in a general election are liabilities in a Republican primary. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Wed Aug 18, 2010 8:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
| bacasper wrote: |
Winning the election will be easy. It is getting the nomination that will be the hard part. |
Yes, I think he'd be reasonably competitive if he managed to get through the primary. I don't think he'll make it through the primary, though. I don't think he'll even come close. The things that make him potentially appealing in a general election are liabilities in a Republican primary. |
 It'd be worth everybody registering Republican for this! |
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Harpeau
Joined: 01 Feb 2003
Location: Coquitlam, BC
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| Posted: Wed Aug 18, 2010 9:23 pm Post subject: |
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| I hope Paul wins the election. |
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