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recessiontime
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| candyteacher wrote: |
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| recessiontime wrote: |
 Yeah okay, hot & fat ugly women are equal to you. Obviously, now you are just disagreeing with me for the sake of disagreeing, that's fine. I'm sure everyone else that reads that knows you are full of it. If you had a choice between having a fat ugly wife and a runway model wife you'd really struggle making a decision. |
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| I value them as equal based solely on the fact they are human beings. I don't quite see where you are going wrong here with what I am saying. I don't give a fark what society says about some fat chick and some knock-out. They are equal as people, to me. |
If you really don't believe me, that is fine. You can be as shallow as you want. |
Why can't they be equal to him? He's not talking about who he's attracted to, he's talking about them as human beings! Who know perhaps he prefers bigger ladies, many people do.
Its very shallow to assume the hot woman automaticaly has a higher value over the ugly woman. Whos to say that the ugly woman isn't an extremely wealthy business woman? |
You guys are changing the subject. This conversation is about class, not about intrinsic value of human beings. There are people we value more than others in society, this much is obvious.
you can't keep adding variables to the situation. All you know about the woman is whether she is ugly or hot. That's all you know.
If you want a better example how about choosing between having
a) a mentally retarded child (has down syndrome)
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b) a healthy child
Are you still going to say that some people are going to want to have a child with down syndrome? Will you still say these 2 children belong to the same category or class? Obviously only one of them is valued by society the other one isn't.
I'll leave you with some words of wisdom :
| Fox wrote: |
Class distinctions still exist. You can choose to ignore them if you wish, but they're still a factor in society, and no amount of personal commitment to egalitarianism can simply wish them away. |
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LGSakers
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| I worked with children who have down syndrome for a couple of years, and I have a cousin with autism. I don't look at them as any different "class-wise"... I guess that is just me look at people as people, and not as something else. |
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recessiontime
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| Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2010 8:56 pm Post subject: |
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| LGSakers wrote: |
| I worked with children who have down syndrome for a couple of years, and I have a cousin with autism. I don't look at them as any different "class-wise"... I guess that is just me look at people as people, and not as something else. |
yeah thats fine, you can be politically correct all you want. That wont change the way the rest of the world see them. What is valueless is valueless. What is valuable is valuable.
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LGSakers
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| Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2010 8:58 pm Post subject: |
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| recessiontime wrote: |
yeah thats fine, you can be politically correct all you want. That wont change the way the rest of the world see them. What is valueless is valueless. What is valuable is valuable. |
So you are saying a child born with a disability they have no control over, no say over... Is "valueless"? What an ignorant thing to say. You can go on living your life casting judgements on people all you want, I will continue to respect them as human beings. |
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recessiontime
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| Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2010 9:03 pm Post subject: |
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| LGSakers wrote: |
| recessiontime wrote: |
yeah thats fine, you can be politically correct all you want. That wont change the way the rest of the world see them. What is valueless is valueless. What is valuable is valuable. |
So you are saying a child born with a disability they have no control over, no say over... Is "valueless"? What an ignorant thing to say. You can go on living your life casting judgements on people all you want, I will continue to respect them as human beings. |
So which one is it?
You avoided my simple question so I will repeat it again for you. Would you rather have a healthy offspring or a mentally handicapped one? Will you bite the bullet and say it doesnt matter because they are both equal in value?
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LGSakers
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| Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2010 9:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Clearly it wouldn't matter to me. |
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recessiontime
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| Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2010 9:05 pm Post subject: |
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| LGSakers wrote: |
| Clearly it wouldn't matter to me. |
this is why I love Canadians. |
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LGSakers
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| I don't represent all of Canada. |
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candyteacher
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You guys are changing the subject. This conversation is about class, not about intrinsic value of human beings. There are people we value more than others in society, this much is obvious.
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If i remember correctly, you introduced the hot girl vs ugly girl scenario! (correct me if im wrong). We have no way of telling either girls class category. I dont think looks fall into a deciding factor for class. If they do thats very very sad.
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| Are you still going to say that some people are going to want to have a child with down syndrome? Will you still say these 2 children belong to the same category or class? Obviously only one of them is valued by society the other one isn't. |
I would rather have a healthy child, but not because of how it may affect their "class" standings but rather because I would want to bring a healthy child into this world, same as I would rather the child not have any other disabilities or illness.
To answer your question, Yes these two children fall into the same category for me, their both children that deserve the best in life. To cast a shadow on the down syndrome child or any other special need child is horrible. The child has no control over their disability.
To say a down sydrome child isn't valued by the world is ignorant. Try spending some time with organisations such as special olympics, you will see that many of the people there have more "class" and destinction than many healthy people walking this planet. |
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recessiontime
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| Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2010 10:13 pm Post subject: |
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I used the healthy versus retarded child example to simply show you that people value a healthy child more. By choosing the healthy child you have proven my simple point that you value one over the other. Any rational person would rather have a healthy child as opposed to one with down syndrome.
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| To say a down sydrome child isn't valued by the world is ignorant. |
Id say its delusional to think the way you do. I can also say you are the one being ignorant because the majority of people do not value retarded children. They value healthy or gifted children. |
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bacasper
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| Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2010 10:26 pm Post subject: |
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| candyteacher wrote: |
| LGSakers wrote: |
| recessiontime wrote: |
| Yeah okay, hot & fat ugly women are equal to you. Obviously, now you are just disagreeing with me for the sake of disagreeing, that's fine. I'm sure everyone else that reads that knows you are full of it. If you had a choice between having a fat ugly wife and a runway model wife you'd really struggle making a decision. |
| LGSakers wrote: |
| I value them as equal based solely on the fact they are human beings. I don't quite see where you are going wrong here with what I am saying. I don't give a fark what society says about some fat chick and some knock-out. They are equal as people, to me. |
If you really don't believe me, that is fine. You can be as shallow as you want. |
Why can't they be equal to him? He's not talking about who he's attracted to, he's talking about them as human beings! Who know perhaps he prefers bigger ladies, many people do. |
Let's hear it for a d i p o p h i l i a !   |
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LGSakers
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| Posted: Sat Aug 21, 2010 12:16 am Post subject: |
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[quote="recessiontime"]I used the healthy versus retarded child example to simply show you that people value a healthy child more. By choosing the healthy child you have proven my simple point that you value one over the other. Any rational person would rather have a healthy child as opposed to one with down syndrome. [quote]No. Any rational person would wish their child to be as healthy as possible. That doesn't mean they would value the life of a healthy child over that of another.
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| Id say its delusional to think the way you do. I can also say you are the one being ignorant because the majority of people do not value retarded children. They value healthy or gifted children. |
You legit think that a child with down syndrome is useless? That is what you are saying? |
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candyteacher
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| Posted: Sat Aug 21, 2010 12:20 am Post subject: |
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| recessiontime wrote: |
I used the healthy versus retarded child example to simply show you that people value a healthy child more. By choosing the healthy child you have proven my simple point that you value one over the other. Any rational person would rather have a healthy child as opposed to one with down syndrome.
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| To say a down sydrome child isn't valued by the world is ignorant. |
Id say its delusional to think the way you do. I can also say you are the one being ignorant because the majority of people do not value retarded children. They value healthy or gifted children. |
No, I said I would rather give birth to a healthy child, not I'd value a healthy child over a disabled one. It's two very different things.
It is ignorant to say disabled people arent valued, as I said just look at the special olympics etc. I'm in no way delusioned, I'm well aware of how some people view people with special needs, however I know not all people think or act like these.
I think you'd be suprised how many people actually have relatives, work with or go to school with special needs people. Its very common and thankfully the ignorance out there regarding special needs is dying. Iv even seen a marked improvement in Korea over the past three years.
Anyway its totally going off the issue of the thread! |
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recessiontime
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| Posted: Sat Aug 21, 2010 12:33 am Post subject: |
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| candyteacher wrote: |
I would rather give birth to a healthy child, not I'd value a healthy child over a disabled one. It's two very different things.
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You contradict yourself. How do you not see it? |
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candyteacher
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| Posted: Sat Aug 21, 2010 1:14 am Post subject: |
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| recessiontime wrote: |
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I would rather give birth to a healthy child, not I'd value a healthy child over a disabled one. It's two very different things.
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You contradict yourself. How do you not see it? |
How do you not see the difference? I'd rather bring a healthy as possible child into this world, for the sake of the child not having to suffer any kind of illness. If I was to give birth to a disabled child, I would never value them less than a healthy child. They would still get everything a healthy child gets.
We have different views then on what value of a person is. Do you value the life of a person with cancer less than you value the life of a healthy person? |
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