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NM14456
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Louis VI
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| All those teaching jobs here on Jeju by 2015 may mean my three-year plan to stay may be extended at the end of '12 if opportunities multiply. |
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TheUrbanMyth
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| Posted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 3:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Louis VI wrote: |
| All those teaching jobs here on Jeju by 2015 may mean my three-year plan to stay may be extended at the end of '12 if opportunities multiply. |
Those schools that are being opened are likely to only hire teachers who are certified (either Korean or aboard).
Same as the international schools here. It's not going to open up that many jobs. |
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Epik_Teacher
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| Posted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 3:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Louis VI wrote: |
| All those teaching jobs here on Jeju by 2015 may mean my three-year plan to stay may be extended at the end of '12 if opportunities multiply. |
There will probably be many more jobs if you're Filipino or Singaporean............. |
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NM14456
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| Posted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 3:42 pm Post subject: Good point |
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| Louis VI wrote: |
| All those teaching jobs here on Jeju by 2015 may mean my three-year plan to stay may be extended at the end of '12 if opportunities multiply. |
Yes, I was thinking more or less the same thing.
The "demise of English" in Korea may have been called a bit prematurely. While I think the existing culture around English education will be far harder to change I think successful pushes in new directions could be good for the field in even the medium range. |
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NM14456
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| Posted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 3:45 pm Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| Louis VI wrote: |
| All those teaching jobs here on Jeju by 2015 may mean my three-year plan to stay may be extended at the end of '12 if opportunities multiply. |
Those schools that are being opened are likely to only hire teachers who are certified (either Korean or aboard).
Same as the international schools here. It's not going to open up that many jobs. |
While the actual school may not hire a million NET's the impact will have to be seen - there's clearly pressure on the system to try something different and just sending your kid to another Hogwon doesn't seem to be doing the trick - at least people are thinking about trying something different. |
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NM14456
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| Posted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 3:47 pm Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| Louis VI wrote: |
| All those teaching jobs here on Jeju by 2015 may mean my three-year plan to stay may be extended at the end of '12 if opportunities multiply. |
Those schools that are being opened are likely to only hire teachers who are certified (either Korean or aboard).
Same as the international schools here. It's not going to open up that many jobs. |
Just curious by the way - what do you mean by "certification" in this instance and why do you say that? |
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TheUrbanMyth
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| Posted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 3:56 pm Post subject: |
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| NM14456 wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| Louis VI wrote: |
| All those teaching jobs here on Jeju by 2015 may mean my three-year plan to stay may be extended at the end of '12 if opportunities multiply. |
Those schools that are being opened are likely to only hire teachers who are certified (either Korean or aboard).
Same as the international schools here. It's not going to open up that many jobs. |
Just curious by the way - what do you mean by "certification" in this instance and why do you say that? |
"Certification" -- a teaching degree/license in one's own country. Not your typical NET fresh out of university with a B.A in anything.
These are supposed to be prestigious Western schools therefore run by stricter standards than the average hakwon/public school. |
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Louis VI
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| Posted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 4:00 pm Post subject: |
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"Certification" -- a teaching degree/license in one's own country. Not your typical NET fresh out of university with a B.A in anything.
These are supposed to be prestigious Western schools therefore run by stricter standards than the average hakwon/public school. |
A CELTA and over a decade of teaching experience might serve me well. Certainly we're not talking about your typical fresh out of university newbie. |
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NM14456
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| Posted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 4:19 pm Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| NM14456 wrote: |
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| Louis VI wrote: |
| All those teaching jobs here on Jeju by 2015 may mean my three-year plan to stay may be extended at the end of '12 if opportunities multiply. |
Those schools that are being opened are likely to only hire teachers who are certified (either Korean or aboard).
Same as the international schools here. It's not going to open up that many jobs. |
Just curious by the way - what do you mean by "certification" in this instance and why do you say that? |
"Certification" -- a teaching degree/license in one's own country. Not your typical NET fresh out of university with a B.A in anything.
These are supposed to be prestigious Western schools therefore run by stricter standards than the average hakwon/public school. |
Thanks for clarifying - that's what I thought you meant. |
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ThingsComeAround
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While the actual school may not hire a million NET's the impact will have to be seen - there's clearly pressure on the system to try something different and just sending your kid to another Hogwon doesn't seem to be doing the trick - at least people are thinking about trying something different. |
Gotta respect that  |
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NM14456
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While the actual school may not hire a million NET's the impact will have to be seen - there's clearly pressure on the system to try something different and just sending your kid to another Hogwon doesn't seem to be doing the trick - at least people are thinking about trying something different. |
Gotta respect that |
Yeah, I sense that as embedded as the educational system is here people really want a better ways of getting the job done. Kids are clearly unhappy with a childhood of lost summers and high pressure the rest of the time.
So, any serious attempt at trying something new should be applauded. |
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Mr. Pink
Joined: 21 Oct 2003
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| Posted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 8:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Louis VI wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
"Certification" -- a teaching degree/license in one's own country. Not your typical NET fresh out of university with a B.A in anything.
These are supposed to be prestigious Western schools therefore run by stricter standards than the average hakwon/public school. |
A CELTA and over a decade of teaching experience might serve me well. Certainly we're not talking about your typical fresh out of university newbie. |
Means nothing when talking about western accredited schools. Sorry, but it is better if you learn the reality now instead of banking on it later.
These schools will have to keep a certain percentage of teachers certified in order to keep the accreditation they have required. At my school the ESL department teachers all have MA or M.Ed degrees to make up for the fact they aren't certified teachers and they are the only teachers in the school not certified by state or provincial governments.
While I strongly believe these schools will be essentially ESL schools and that people with backgrounds in ESL would be beneficial, they regardless need certified teachers.
Why not get certified? Problem solved. |
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NM14456
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| Posted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 8:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Mr. Pink wrote: |
| Louis VI wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
"Certification" -- a teaching degree/license in one's own country. Not your typical NET fresh out of university with a B.A in anything.
These are supposed to be prestigious Western schools therefore run by stricter standards than the average hakwon/public school. |
A CELTA and over a decade of teaching experience might serve me well. Certainly we're not talking about your typical fresh out of university newbie. |
Means nothing when talking about western accredited schools. Sorry, but it is better if you learn the reality now instead of banking on it later.
These schools will have to keep a certain percentage of teachers certified in order to keep the accreditation they have required. At my school the ESL department teachers all have MA or M.Ed degrees to make up for the fact they aren't certified teachers and they are the only teachers in the school not certified by state or provincial governments.
While I strongly believe these schools will be essentially ESL schools and that people with backgrounds in ESL would be beneficial, they regardless need certified teachers.
Why not get certified? Problem solved. |
Well, I guess we'll have to see what schools require what. On that note, I've heard of people getting hired at "International Schools" in the past with a BA/BS but then their job title requires the relevant 4 yr degree (ie. could teach "science" classes but would need a bio, chem or related degree etc.)
As for "just fixing the problem" of certification, I imagine a lot of people are pretty well burdened with student debt and debts from their undergrad education already. Making the commitment and adding hundreds of dollars more to your monthly debt may keep a lot of people on the sideline. Hard to tell - just guessing. |
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PatrickGHBusan
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Mr Pink is right.
Schools that require certification will not accept someone with a CELTA and teaching experience.
Certification is the minimal qualification required. Experience is a bonus and sometimes a requirement.
Louis VI, getting certified would be a smart plan if you intent to teach internationally over the mid to long term. |
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