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PostPosted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 1:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not to deter this interesting ongoing debate but for the record. I only created this post because I need at atleast 25 post before I can PM friends online... Surprised

as for the state of the world...2012 anyone!?
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 10:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Koveras wrote:
When music becomes a matter of personal preference (and I mean this in two closely interrelated ways: first that a once wholistic musical culture fractures, and second that it loses its contact with principles superior to the contingent culture-bound form in which they were presented), as is the case today, it is no longer an essential, functional part of life, but a triflingl matter of entertainment and aesthetics. (This is not to say that "essential, functional" music isn't entertaining or aesthetic - if anything it can be more so than music today - but just that it isn't *merely* so.) A bit like our arguing here: trivial, probably fruitless, but pursued because we have to occupy ourselves somehow and to people like us this is better than watching TV.



Honestly, I can sympathize with your seeming admiration for a wholistic culture. I still consider Aristotle�s ethics to be the most superior, and a notion such as �will� would be totally lost on him. I am interested in how or why you think a homogenous musical culture is preferred. Also, when you say the �principles superior to the contingent culture-bound form in which they were presented�, are you referring to the higher form of things in a Platonic sense? Or, that music only has value in direct relation to how much or well it conforms to the principles of musicality?

Additionally, it seems as though you are arguing that the seriousness and proper musical experience is wholly lost on modern people. Would you agree that that is your position?

I have studied the ancient as well as modern perception of performance (mostly in the form of tragedy i.e. The Poetics and the works of Vernant and Naquet), do you know of any work that deals with this in relation to music? I�m not well versed enough in the subject to see the merits of a homogenous musical culture as it strikes me as counterintuitive given my thoughts on art. But still, I welcome any challenges to my perception.

If the above is true though, I have to ask; what is the purpose of music?
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