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rayne



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 4:28 pm    Post subject: GEPIK vs Applying Directly to Schools Reply with quote

I'm not graduating until mid-2012, but I really want to get a head start on preparing what I need to go to Korea for teaching.

I'm most worried about three things:

Location
I went to Yongin, Gyeonggi-do for two months as an exchange student and I met some great Korean friends there and had a wonderful experience.
Ideally, I'd like to work in a school near that area.
If I go through GEPIK or something like that and request that area, how likely am I to get placed there? What if I give them the reason that I have friends there? My boyfriend is Korean, so can I tell them that he's my fiance and he lives around there? There's no way for them to check, right? Wink
Otherwise, would I have better luck asking my Korean friends to find me the websites/contact information of nearby schools and applying directly?

Recommendation Letters
I'm worried about getting a letter from my professors because my BA actually isn't about teaching English, so I don't think I'll be able to convince them to write me a letter about how awesome I am at teaching English or whatever. Would getting letters from some advisors from my university be sufficient? I have a few in mind who may be willing to write me those kinds of recommendation letters. But then again I'm worried about the "length of relationship" part. Or do they not really care about the content and just want to see that there are people who are willing to write letters for me?

Grade Level
I know it depends on the person, but what is a good grade level to teach? I kind of want to teach high school students because they are probably more studious since they are preparing for university, but I am worried they would not respect me because I'm a 155cm tall Asian girl Sad
But for elementary and middle school students, I'm worried I cannot control their energy level. An I bet some of them are still taller than me.
I'd actually really like to teach university, but I'm planning on not getting a MA.

One of my Korean friends and I were chatting online and he said I should really get a TESOL because I would be able to get a job easily. Should I get one here in Canada, or when I'm settled in Korea? Or is any online TESOL certifications just as good?
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 4:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Response to your grade level issue.

If you go the high school route. You'll most likely teach the 1st and 2nd grade. I don't know of anyone that teaches 3rd grade. Roughly 700 students a week (Depending on how big your school is). And the motivation of the students really depends on the school. There's 3 kind's of high schools. Academic, Technical (Vocational), and Special Purpose (Foreign Language School) For example at Foreign Language high schools, the students are overachievers and they're motivated to do anything. They're not really gifted, they're just really motivated, at the end of the day that's what matters most. But those jobs are really hard to get.

At normal academic high schools, the only thing they care about is the university test. And unlike the FLS kids, they won't do it just because its not on the test. That's the atypical Korean mentality. And as of now, the Conversational English classes you'll be teaching aren't on the test, so there's no incentive. You'll deal with a lot of motivation issues. But they're be more or less operating at their grade level. The range in student abilities is from nonexistent to very advanced (lived abroad)

If you land a technical high school. They don't have the same range in levels that Academic high schools get. Everyone is low. The students are significantly below their grade level. Most elementary school students have higher English levels than tech kids. You'll deal with a lot of discipline and motivation problems. The kids have generally had hard lives. School is not the most important thing for them.

Technical schools schools are hands down the toughest, and most foreign teachers don't last long. Either they leave after the end of the year or they don't even finish the contract. Tech schools are also low on the government priority list so you won't have as much support / budget compared to normal academic schools. Success here depends on your personality and how well you can deal with the impossible.
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rayne



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 6:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

winterfall wrote:
Response to your grade level issue.

If you go the high school route. You'll most likely teach the 1st and 2nd grade. I don't know of anyone that teaches 3rd grade. Roughly 700 students a week (Depending on how big your school is). And the motivation of the students really depends on the school. There's 3 kind's of high schools. Academic, Technical (Vocational), and Special Purpose (Foreign Language School) For example at Foreign Language high schools, the students are overachievers and they're motivated to do anything. They're not really gifted, they're just really motivated, at the end of the day that's what matters most. But those jobs are really hard to get.

At normal academic high schools, the only thing they care about is the university test. And unlike the FLS kids, they won't do it just because its not on the test. That's the atypical Korean mentality. And as of now, the Conversational English classes you'll be teaching aren't on the test, so there's no incentive. You'll deal with a lot of motivation issues. But they're be more or less operating at their grade level. The range in student abilities is from nonexistent to very advanced (lived abroad)

If you land a technical high school. They don't have the same range in levels that Academic high schools get. Everyone is low. The students are significantly below their grade level. Most elementary school students have higher English levels than tech kids. You'll deal with a lot of discipline and motivation problems. The kids have generally had hard lives. School is not the most important thing for them.

Technical schools schools are hands down the toughest, and most foreign teachers don't last long. Either they leave after the end of the year or they don't even finish the contract. Tech schools are also low on the government priority list so you won't have as much support / budget compared to normal academic schools. Success here depends on your personality and how well you can deal with the impossible.


Thanks for all the information!!! How do you know what school is technical, academic or special purpose? I THINK I remember some Korean friends saying that they went to an art middle school or something... are middle schools separated into those three categories as well?

I thought high schoolers would be more motivated in general since I heard you have to take TOEIC every two years to get a decent job and some of my Korean friends study like crazy for that test.
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sallymonster



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 6:13 pm    Post subject: Re: GEPIK vs Applying Directly to Schools Reply with quote

rayne wrote:

Location
I went to Yongin, Gyeonggi-do for two months as an exchange student and I met some great Korean friends there and had a wonderful experience.
Ideally, I'd like to work in a school near that area.
If I go through GEPIK or something like that and request that area, how likely am I to get placed there? What if I give them the reason that I have friends there? My boyfriend is Korean, so can I tell them that he's my fiance and he lives around there? There's no way for them to check, right? Wink
Otherwise, would I have better luck asking my Korean friends to find me the websites/contact information of nearby schools and applying directly?


Many GEPIK schools hire independently. You can ask your Korean friends to help you find one, or you can contact a recruiter that works with independent GEPIK schools (I used WorkNPlay Consulting). You can also look for positions in private kindergartens/afterschool academies (hagwons).

rayne wrote:
Recommendation Letters
I'm worried about getting a letter from my professors because my BA actually isn't about teaching English, so I don't think I'll be able to convince them to write me a letter about how awesome I am at teaching English or whatever. Would getting letters from some advisors from my university be sufficient? I have a few in mind who may be willing to write me those kinds of recommendation letters. But then again I'm worried about the "length of relationship" part. Or do they not really care about the content and just want to see that there are people who are willing to write letters for me?


I got my recommendation letters from two different jobs that had little to do with English teaching. It is totally OK for a professor to write yours. EPIK/GEPIK just wants to hear that you're a good person and a good worker and stuff.

Rayne wrote:
Grade Level
I know it depends on the person, but what is a good grade level to teach? I kind of want to teach high school students because they are probably more studious since they are preparing for university, but I am worried they would not respect me because I'm a 155cm tall Asian girl Sad
But for elementary and middle school students, I'm worried I cannot control their energy level. An I bet some of them are still taller than me.
I'd actually really like to teach university, but I'm planning on not getting a MA.

One of my Korean friends and I were chatting online and he said I should really get a TESOL because I would be able to get a job easily. Should I get one here in Canada, or when I'm settled in Korea? Or is any online TESOL certifications just as good?


Well, I don't think anyone will ever agree on what grade level is best to teach, that's really a matter of personal preference. Be aware, though, that most jobs involve teaching elementary and/or middle school. There are fewer jobs in high schools and they are more competitive, and as a newbie you'll more likely get placed in a technical high school (which winterfall just told you about). As someone who teaches some low level third year students at a middle school, I don't recommend technical high school. Keep in mind, too, if you want to teach older kids, that middle school is western age 12-15 or roughly the equivalent to junior high school in the US.


I hope that helped you a bit. Good luck!
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rayne



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 6:56 pm    Post subject: Re: GEPIK vs Applying Directly to Schools Reply with quote

sallymonster wrote:
rayne wrote:

Location
I went to Yongin, Gyeonggi-do for two months as an exchange student and I met some great Korean friends there and had a wonderful experience.
Ideally, I'd like to work in a school near that area.
If I go through GEPIK or something like that and request that area, how likely am I to get placed there? What if I give them the reason that I have friends there? My boyfriend is Korean, so can I tell them that he's my fiance and he lives around there? There's no way for them to check, right? Wink
Otherwise, would I have better luck asking my Korean friends to find me the websites/contact information of nearby schools and applying directly?


Many GEPIK schools hire independently. You can ask your Korean friends to help you find one, or you can contact a recruiter that works with independent GEPIK schools (I used WorkNPlay Consulting). You can also look for positions in private kindergartens/afterschool academies (hagwons).

rayne wrote:
Recommendation Letters
I'm worried about getting a letter from my professors because my BA actually isn't about teaching English, so I don't think I'll be able to convince them to write me a letter about how awesome I am at teaching English or whatever. Would getting letters from some advisors from my university be sufficient? I have a few in mind who may be willing to write me those kinds of recommendation letters. But then again I'm worried about the "length of relationship" part. Or do they not really care about the content and just want to see that there are people who are willing to write letters for me?


I got my recommendation letters from two different jobs that had little to do with English teaching. It is totally OK for a professor to write yours. EPIK/GEPIK just wants to hear that you're a good person and a good worker and stuff.

Rayne wrote:
Grade Level
I know it depends on the person, but what is a good grade level to teach? I kind of want to teach high school students because they are probably more studious since they are preparing for university, but I am worried they would not respect me because I'm a 155cm tall Asian girl Sad
But for elementary and middle school students, I'm worried I cannot control their energy level. An I bet some of them are still taller than me.
I'd actually really like to teach university, but I'm planning on not getting a MA.

One of my Korean friends and I were chatting online and he said I should really get a TESOL because I would be able to get a job easily. Should I get one here in Canada, or when I'm settled in Korea? Or is any online TESOL certifications just as good?


Well, I don't think anyone will ever agree on what grade level is best to teach, that's really a matter of personal preference. Be aware, though, that most jobs involve teaching elementary and/or middle school. There are fewer jobs in high schools and they are more competitive, and as a newbie you'll more likely get placed in a technical high school (which winterfall just told you about). As someone who teaches some low level third year students at a middle school, I don't recommend technical high school. Keep in mind, too, if you want to teach older kids, that middle school is western age 12-15 or roughly the equivalent to junior high school in the US.


I hope that helped you a bit. Good luck!


Thanks, you helped me a lot=]!

I think I'm going to have to go searching independently if I really want to be placed in a specific area. I assume I need the same documents as GEPIK requires? How do I go about looking for jobs myself? Do I just send a simple email with my resume and wait for a reply with what other documents they want if they're interested or do I do to send them a cover letter or something as well?

I actually have a lot of reference letters from past employers and coordinators of volunteer programs, but they're just general ones, they don't say anything about English teaching. Does it need to specify my competence in teaching?
Well, actually I tutored at for two summers but that was back in 2006, so I don't think that reference letter would work.
I actually managed to got a reference letter from one of my teachers at the university in Korea that I went to for 2 months on exchange. He spoke English well while teaching, but the letter has a couple of errors. Would that be an okay reference letter, even though it says nothing about teaching English?

Thanks, I think I'll probably end up teaching middle schoolers, but I'll still give high schools a shot. I'll probably end up applying to every single middle and high school in the Yongin area and hope I get some replies.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 7:42 pm    Post subject: Re: GEPIK vs Applying Directly to Schools Reply with quote

rayne wrote:

Thanks, you helped me a lot=]!

I think I'm going to have to go searching independently if I really want to be placed in a specific area. I assume I need the same documents as GEPIK requires? How do I go about looking for jobs myself? Do I just send a simple email with my resume and wait for a reply with what other documents they want if they're interested or do I do to send them a cover letter or something as well?

I actually have a lot of reference letters from past employers and coordinators of volunteer programs, but they're just general ones, they don't say anything about English teaching. Does it need to specify my competence in teaching?
Well, actually I tutored at for two summers but that was back in 2006, so I don't think that reference letter would work.
I actually managed to got a reference letter from one of my teachers at the university in Korea that I went to for 2 months on exchange. He spoke English well while teaching, but the letter has a couple of errors. Would that be an okay reference letter, even though it says nothing about teaching English?

Thanks, I think I'll probably end up teaching middle schoolers, but I'll still give high schools a shot. I'll probably end up applying to every single middle and high school in the Yongin area and hope I get some replies.


Well, one way you can start is by emailing recruiters with your resume (or applying through their websites) and networking through the contacts you have in Korea in order to contact schools directly. You'll need to include a good quality photo with your resume, where you are smiling and looking professional. Even if you are applying to independent public schools, you'll still need the same documents: passport, notarized/apostilled copy of your university degree, nationwide criminal background check (if you are from the US you will need an FBI check which takes like 4 months to get), recommendation letters, and possibly a filled out GEPIK application. All of your documents have to be less than six months old.

Don't worry if your recommendation letters don't mention teaching, mine didn't. Smile

If you really want a specific location, you should look for hagwon jobs in addition to public school jobs so that you're not limiting your options too much. I imagine there are not many public schools in Yongin that recruit independently (though it would help if you also look in nearby Bundang and Suwon). Not all hagwons are bad like the stories you read about, just be sure to do your research and talk to the current foreign teacher(s) before signing (this goes for independent public schools as well).
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winterfall



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 7:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

rayne wrote:
winterfall wrote:
Response to your grade level issue.

If you go the high school route. You'll most likely teach the 1st and 2nd grade. I don't know of anyone that teaches 3rd grade. Roughly 700 students a week (Depending on how big your school is). And the motivation of the students really depends on the school. There's 3 kind's of high schools. Academic, Technical (Vocational), and Special Purpose (Foreign Language School) For example at Foreign Language high schools, the students are overachievers and they're motivated to do anything. They're not really gifted, they're just really motivated, at the end of the day that's what matters most. But those jobs are really hard to get.

At normal academic high schools, the only thing they care about is the university test. And unlike the FLS kids, they won't do it just because its not on the test. That's the atypical Korean mentality. And as of now, the Conversational English classes you'll be teaching aren't on the test, so there's no incentive. You'll deal with a lot of motivation issues. But they're be more or less operating at their grade level. The range in student abilities is from nonexistent to very advanced (lived abroad)

If you land a technical high school. They don't have the same range in levels that Academic high schools get. Everyone is low. The students are significantly below their grade level. Most elementary school students have higher English levels than tech kids. You'll deal with a lot of discipline and motivation problems. The kids have generally had hard lives. School is not the most important thing for them.

Technical schools schools are hands down the toughest, and most foreign teachers don't last long. Either they leave after the end of the year or they don't even finish the contract. Tech schools are also low on the government priority list so you won't have as much support / budget compared to normal academic schools. Success here depends on your personality and how well you can deal with the impossible.


Thanks for all the information!!! How do you know what school is technical, academic or special purpose? I THINK I remember some Korean friends saying that they went to an art middle school or something... are middle schools separated into those three categories as well?

I thought high schoolers would be more motivated in general since I heard you have to take TOEIC every two years to get a decent job and some of my Korean friends study like crazy for that test.


Don't know much about middle school's you'll have to ask someone about that. You can tell by the name of the high schools. FLS schools say Foreign Language High School in the name, Same with technical Schools (They're either say: Industrial, Technical, Vocational, Science, Technology). Academic Schools are just the Name + High School.


High school kids aren't worried about TOEIC unless they want to get into a very high level university. Even the SKY universities don't require it from Freshmen, the only ones that do are the Specialized Medical Schools. The biggest things high schoolers are worried about is the university test. But to even start worrying about that your University Test scores have to be high enough to get into med school. The University Test is a very big thing here. Their entire 3rd yr at high school is devoted to studying for that. Don't even bother trying to teach TOEIC, chances are it'll be overwhelming beyond the level of most high school kids.

But you don't really need to know all this now. You'll figure it out when you land a job and get here. All I can say is, you need to manage your expectations. Don't expect to be teaching very high level / near fluent students. If you browse this forum, there's a lot of negativity. But the kinds of students they talk about can give you a good idea of what level you'll be teaching.
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rayne



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 8:12 pm    Post subject: Re: GEPIK vs Applying Directly to Schools Reply with quote

sallymonster wrote:
rayne wrote:

Thanks, you helped me a lot=]!

I think I'm going to have to go searching independently if I really want to be placed in a specific area. I assume I need the same documents as GEPIK requires? How do I go about looking for jobs myself? Do I just send a simple email with my resume and wait for a reply with what other documents they want if they're interested or do I do to send them a cover letter or something as well?

I actually have a lot of reference letters from past employers and coordinators of volunteer programs, but they're just general ones, they don't say anything about English teaching. Does it need to specify my competence in teaching?
Well, actually I tutored at for two summers but that was back in 2006, so I don't think that reference letter would work.
I actually managed to got a reference letter from one of my teachers at the university in Korea that I went to for 2 months on exchange. He spoke English well while teaching, but the letter has a couple of errors. Would that be an okay reference letter, even though it says nothing about teaching English?

Thanks, I think I'll probably end up teaching middle schoolers, but I'll still give high schools a shot. I'll probably end up applying to every single middle and high school in the Yongin area and hope I get some replies.


Well, one way you can start is by emailing recruiters with your resume (or applying through their websites) and networking through the contacts you have in Korea in order to contact schools directly. You'll need to include a good quality photo with your resume, where you are smiling and looking professional. Even if you are applying to independent public schools, you'll still need the same documents: passport, notarized/apostilled copy of your university degree, nationwide criminal background check (if you are from the US you will need an FBI check which takes like 4 months to get), recommendation letters, and possibly a filled out GEPIK application. All of your documents have to be less than six months old.

Don't worry if your recommendation letters don't mention teaching, mine didn't. Smile

If you really want a specific location, you should look for hagwon jobs in addition to public school jobs so that you're not limiting your options too much. I imagine there are not many public schools in Yongin that recruit independently (though it would help if you also look in nearby Bundang and Suwon). Not all hagwons are bad like the stories you read about, just be sure to do your research and talk to the current foreign teacher(s) before signing (this goes for independent public schools as well).


My Korean friends actually recommended hagwons and private tutoring (but that's illegal =_=) so I was considering that as well. For hagwons, are the classes separated by age or English level? Most of my Korean friends go to Hagwons, would I have the opportunity to teach university students?

I'm from Canada, and I'm checking the criminal record check thing online and darn, it takes 4 months as well.

How could I contact foreign teachers in those specific locations? O_o; One of my Korean friends is good enough at English that she does private tutoring, but I don't know anyone in Korea who are teaching right now.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 8:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"GEPIK vs Applying Directly to Schools"

Actually, GEPIK is the direct way. The other way is to go through recruiters. You can work with as many as you want, and I found this is best in your case as it was with mine where we have specific locations and conditions. If you go directly with GEPIK, they place you anywhere and Gyeonggido is a big area. In my case I wanted Pyeongtaek and I was in Seoul. The school I was with at the time had a high school offer for me in Yongin, but it was too far from Pyeongtaek which is where my girlfriend was living.

"I'm not graduating until mid-2012"

Then wait 1.5 years before you worry about it. Seriously, Korean schools and recruiters are NOT going to reserve you a teaching position that far in advance.

"I actually have a lot of reference letters from past.... (blah blah blah)"

They don't care about that. The best I ever got was one reference outside Korea accepted, and I consider that lucky. They will start you at a base salary regardless which senator you helped at election time. Wait your turn, graduate, and then apply. When a position is available, seize it then.

Think of it like a hamburger. Make the order when you are hungry and ready.

"For hagwons, are the classes separated by age or English level? Most of my Korean friends go to Hagwons, would I have the opportunity to teach university students? "

Both, depends on the hagwon, and you will again need to wait till you actually graduate so a hagwon will be interested in hiring you. In my experience, there are very few university students going to hagwons.

Think about Yongin area, is there a university nearby which would have enough students going to a hagwon to make it worth hiring you? Probably not, considering all Koreans want to go to Seoul to study. They rent out goshiwons, which are cheap dorm like rooms in order to study.

I think your best route is to look for high schools, then look for a hagwon job which will give you a mix of classes. Unless you like young kids, avoid K-E job offers. Look for E-M offers at least. Sometimes, they will also have adult classes which might include university students from time to time. The bulk will be from 2nd grade or higher. I found those to be the best.

Also consider afterschool programs. They look terrible at first, but actually aren't that bad. You don't have a hagwon owner or principal breathing down your back. It works like a hagwon, but you get paid through the public school. So, it is great for independent folk. Just be aware, you won't have any help with these jobs when it comes to controlling classes or resources.

Get your degree, get some lessons ready, and then apply when the time is right. Good luck.
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rayne



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 9:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lifeinkorea wrote:
"GEPIK vs Applying Directly to Schools"

"I'm not graduating until mid-2012"

Then wait 1.5 years before you worry about it. Seriously, Korean schools and recruiters are NOT going to reserve you a teaching position that far in advance.

Think of it like a hamburger. Make the order when you are hungry and ready.

"For hagwons, are the classes separated by age or English level? Most of my Korean friends go to Hagwons, would I have the opportunity to teach university students? "

Both, depends on the hagwon, and you will again need to wait till you actually graduate so a hagwon will be interested in hiring you. In my experience, there are very few university students going to hagwons.

Think about Yongin area, is there a university nearby which would have enough students going to a hagwon to make it worth hiring you? Probably not, considering all Koreans want to go to Seoul to study. They rent out goshiwons, which are cheap dorm like rooms in order to study.

I think your best route is to look for high schools, then look for a hagwon job which will give you a mix of classes. Unless you like young kids, avoid K-E job offers. Look for E-M offers at least. Sometimes, they will also have adult classes which might include university students from time to time. The bulk will be from 2nd grade or higher. I found those to be the best.

Also consider afterschool programs. They look terrible at first, but actually aren't that bad. You don't have a hagwon owner or principal breathing down your back. It works like a hagwon, but you get paid through the public school. So, it is great for independent folk. Just be aware, you won't have any help with these jobs when it comes to controlling classes or resources.

Get your degree, get some lessons ready, and then apply when the time is right. Good luck.


I don't plan on applying right now. I just want to leave for Korea as soon as I graduate (hopefully June, 2012). When are the hiring seasons?
I expect to be extremely busy during my last two semesters, making it hard for me to put a lot of time in preparing all my documents so I just want to know what sort of stuff do I need now and I'll do as much as I can inbetween semesters.

You brought up a point that I forgot about, I think I'll be applying while I'm in my last semester, so I don't have my degree yet... so do I wait to apply right after I graduate?
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 9:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

winterfall wrote:
rayne wrote:
winterfall wrote:
Response to your grade level issue.

If you go the high school route. You'll most likely teach the 1st and 2nd grade. I don't know of anyone that teaches 3rd grade. Roughly 700 students a week (Depending on how big your school is). And the motivation of the students really depends on the school. There's 3 kind's of high schools. Academic, Technical (Vocational), and Special Purpose (Foreign Language School) For example at Foreign Language high schools, the students are overachievers and they're motivated to do anything. They're not really gifted, they're just really motivated, at the end of the day that's what matters most. But those jobs are really hard to get.

At normal academic high schools, the only thing they care about is the university test. And unlike the FLS kids, they won't do it just because its not on the test. That's the atypical Korean mentality. And as of now, the Conversational English classes you'll be teaching aren't on the test, so there's no incentive. You'll deal with a lot of motivation issues. But they're be more or less operating at their grade level. The range in student abilities is from nonexistent to very advanced (lived abroad)

If you land a technical high school. They don't have the same range in levels that Academic high schools get. Everyone is low. The students are significantly below their grade level. Most elementary school students have higher English levels than tech kids. You'll deal with a lot of discipline and motivation problems. The kids have generally had hard lives. School is not the most important thing for them.

Technical schools schools are hands down the toughest, and most foreign teachers don't last long. Either they leave after the end of the year or they don't even finish the contract. Tech schools are also low on the government priority list so you won't have as much support / budget compared to normal academic schools. Success here depends on your personality and how well you can deal with the impossible.


Thanks for all the information!!! How do you know what school is technical, academic or special purpose? I THINK I remember some Korean friends saying that they went to an art middle school or something... are middle schools separated into those three categories as well?

I thought high schoolers would be more motivated in general since I heard you have to take TOEIC every two years to get a decent job and some of my Korean friends study like crazy for that test.


Don't know much about middle school's you'll have to ask someone about that. You can tell by the name of the high schools. FLS schools say Foreign Language High School in the name, Same with technical Schools (They're either say: Industrial, Technical, Vocational, Science, Technology). Academic Schools are just the Name + High School.


High school kids aren't worried about TOEIC unless they want to get into a very high level university. Even the SKY universities don't require it from Freshmen, the only ones that do are the Specialized Medical Schools. The biggest things high schoolers are worried about is the university test. But to even start worrying about that your University Test scores have to be high enough to get into med school. The University Test is a very big thing here. Their entire 3rd yr at high school is devoted to studying for that. Don't even bother trying to teach TOEIC, chances are it'll be overwhelming beyond the level of most high school kids.

But you don't really need to know all this now. You'll figure it out when you land a job and get here. All I can say is, you need to manage your expectations. Don't expect to be teaching very high level / near fluent students. If you browse this forum, there's a lot of negativity. But the kinds of students they talk about can give you a good idea of what level you'll be teaching.


Ah, that's kind of confusing for me, because almost all the Korean university students I met were studying for TOEIC at the time. They came from many different majors, including vocal music, film, business, and English literature. All of us exchange students wondered why non-English lit majors had to take the test. Since the university students were obsessing so much over it, I just assumed that high school students had to prepare for it too if they wanted to go to university.
The university students I knew ranged from absolute beginners to almost pretty fluent (they schooled overseas though) so I don't expect a whole lot level-wise, but all of them were really eager to learn English... but reading a lot of stuff here, I don't think all students have the same mentality Confused
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winterfall



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 9:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lifeinkorea wrote:

"I'm not graduating until mid-2012"

Then wait 1.5 years before you worry about it. Seriously, Korean schools and recruiters are NOT going to reserve you a teaching position that far in advance.



Ahhh.... this is what happens when you don't read the WHOLE post. Shocked OP LifeinKorea is right. This is WAY TOO soon. Just deal with this when the time comes. The rules are bound to change anyway, all it'll take is another crazy FT
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rayne



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 9:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

winterfall wrote:
lifeinkorea wrote:

"I'm not graduating until mid-2012"

Then wait 1.5 years before you worry about it. Seriously, Korean schools and recruiters are NOT going to reserve you a teaching position that far in advance.



Ahhh.... this is what happens when you don't read the WHOLE post. Shocked OP LifeinKorea is right. This is WAY TOO soon. Just deal with this when the time comes. The rules are bound to change anyway, all it'll take is another crazy FT


Hahahah I'm the type of person who plans plans plans so I gotta see what I'm getting into even though it's 2 years away. Hopefully things change so it's easier to get in hahahaha Wink
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