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jdog2050

Joined: 17 Dec 2006
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Posted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 5:18 pm Post subject: i7 price drops next week! |
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So, I'm about to build a new computer and this doozy drops:
http://www.igniq.com/2010/08/23/intel-i7-massive-price-cuts/
This is pretty sweet. I was planning on purchasing a few parts a month anyway. However, are these price cuts coming to Korea? This is what I hate about places like Yongsan, etc. They're so unofficial that they don't keep up on market trends. Sometimes it works out, sometimes it doesn't. |
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Bloopity Bloop

Joined: 26 Apr 2009 Location: Seoul yo
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Posted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 7:40 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for the info! I'll contribute to this thread with my own.
For those interested in gaming, SKIP the i7 and go for the i5. Here is THE indisputable best gaming computer for those with normal budgets (~1k-1.5k USD). In fact, I challenge anyone to come up with a more powerful, better performing rig in terms of price/performance ratio. Keep in mind that this will absolutely rip through any game at full settings even on monitors with resolutions above 1920x1080.
Here's the rig with US prices--I know they aren't the same here, but you'd pay more for any other computer so it doesn't matter
Processor: i5 760 ~$210 (or... $170 if you live near a MicroCenter)
Hands down THE best processor for gaming factoring in the price--gaming comps won't make full use of anything more expensive than this.
Graphics: 2 Nvidia DX11 GTX 460s in SLI ~ $450-500
This combination destroys any single card out there and for the price is an unbeatable combo. Should remain close to the top for a few years (a lifetime in terms of gaming comps).
Mobo: ASUS P7P55D-E Pro LGA 1156 Intel P55 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard - $180
Might be better motherboards out there, but this has been proven to work best with the config
RAM: G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory - $100:
All the ram you'll need to play any game at max. Don't let these new i7 rigs with double digit ram sway you.
As far as the rest of the rig...
I'd recommend a Corsair 750w Power Supply
I always prefer a full tower for the real-estate but a mid would be fine, too.
In order to make FULL use of the rig, get a Solid State Drive for booting windows and a few apps/games. Get a secondary large HD for storage/everything else. Prices have come down enough so that you can get a 60gb or 120gb without breaking the bank.
There you have it folks. The ultimate gaming computer for today. I'd be buying this rig in an instant if I wasn't living in Korea at the moment. Can't justify paying the extra hundreds of thousands of won.
Hope this helps anyone looking to build a new gaming rig. |
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jdog2050

Joined: 17 Dec 2006
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Posted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 8:42 pm Post subject: |
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Bloopity Bloop wrote: |
Thanks for the info! I'll contribute to this thread with my own.
For those interested in gaming, SKIP the i7 and go for the i5. Here is THE indisputable best gaming computer for those with normal budgets (~1k-1.5k USD). In fact, I challenge anyone to come up with a more powerful, better performing rig in terms of price/performance ratio. Keep in mind that this will absolutely rip through any game at full settings even on monitors with resolutions above 1920x1080.
Here's the rig with US prices--I know they aren't the same here, but you'd pay more for any other computer so it doesn't matter
Processor: i5 760 ~$210 (or... $170 if you live near a MicroCenter)
Hands down THE best processor for gaming factoring in the price--gaming comps won't make full use of anything more expensive than this.
Graphics: 2 Nvidia DX11 GTX 460s in SLI ~ $450-500
This combination destroys any single card out there and for the price is an unbeatable combo. Should remain close to the top for a few years (a lifetime in terms of gaming comps).
Mobo: ASUS P7P55D-E Pro LGA 1156 Intel P55 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard - $180
Might be better motherboards out there, but this has been proven to work best with the config
RAM: G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory - $100:
All the ram you'll need to play any game at max. Don't let these new i7 rigs with double digit ram sway you.
As far as the rest of the rig...
I'd recommend a Corsair 750w Power Supply
I always prefer a full tower for the real-estate but a mid would be fine, too.
In order to make FULL use of the rig, get a Solid State Drive for booting windows and a few apps/games. Get a secondary large HD for storage/everything else. Prices have come down enough so that you can get a 60gb or 120gb without breaking the bank.
There you have it folks. The ultimate gaming computer for today. I'd be buying this rig in an instant if I wasn't living in Korea at the moment. Can't justify paying the extra hundreds of thousands of won.
Hope this helps anyone looking to build a new gaming rig. |
Dude, thanks for that, really. One of the things that's been bugging me is getting a "future proof" motherboard and that one looks like it'll fit the bill. |
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Bloopity Bloop

Joined: 26 Apr 2009 Location: Seoul yo
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Posted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 10:15 pm Post subject: |
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jdog2050 wrote: |
Dude, thanks for that, really. One of the things that's been bugging me is getting a "future proof" motherboard and that one looks like it'll fit the bill. |
Always glad to provide tech advice. Just know that if you want an i7 later, you'll probably want to get an LGA 1366 mobo. The one I recommended above is a 1156. |
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eamo

Joined: 08 Mar 2003 Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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Posted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 3:40 am Post subject: |
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I've just done some major upgrades to my main PC......and I went all AMD....
Phenom II X6 1055T........a major bargain at 192,000.....six cores for 192,000!!?? And yes, I know multi-cores don't really help with gaming, but I expect that to change.
The Gigabyte GA-890GPA-UD3H......another fantastic mobo from Gigabyte. They're definitely making better motherboards than Asus these days. Asus boards give me nothing but grief. Gigabyte was golden again as it booted up first time with a very new CPU in it. The 1055T was only released a few months ago. USB 3.0 will be nice when I get a device that can use it!!
I'm with B-Bloop's suggestion above for RAM. I got exactly the same stuff. G.Skill Ripjaws DDR3 1600. 4GB.....will go to 8GB when wifey's not looking!!
I put those three upgrades in my Gigabyte Tritron case with my 3 year old Zalman 600w PSU and my newer HIS HD5850 and 2x1TB Samsung HDD's.
Everything is running like a dream....fingers crossed.....
Why AMD?
I think they're giving better value at the upper mid-range level for CPU's. Six cores (which can go to 4ghz on air easily, according to the net geeks) for less than 200,000 is amazing value.
Plus ATI own the 200-300 dollar graphics card scene.
So I'm all AMD now for the first time ever. |
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SeoulNate

Joined: 04 Jun 2010 Location: Hyehwa
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Posted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 4:31 am Post subject: |
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Bloopity Bloop

Joined: 26 Apr 2009 Location: Seoul yo
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Posted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 12:28 pm Post subject: |
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I respect your opinions, but actual research doesn't support AMD nor ATI at this point in time. As for the graphics cards--eamo said ATI dominates the $200-$300 range. I'd say it's more like Nvidia slightly edges ATI out.
For procs, hands down Intel is top dog these days.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-gaming-cpu-core-i5-760-core-i7-970,2698-7.html
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-gaming-cpu-core-i5-760-core-i7-970,2698-6.html
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-460-radeon-hd-5570-gaming,2697-4.html
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-460-radeon-hd-5570-gaming,2697-5.html
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-460-sli-geforce-gtx-480,2694.html
Can't beat the rig I posted. Although by no means is eamo's rig any less of a perceivable performer for the purposes of probably 98% of people out there.
My personal opinion about 6-core procs is that by the time programs, apps, games, whatever will be able to make good use of them, far better, affordable, efficient procs will be available. |
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vDroop
Joined: 25 Aug 2010
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Posted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 6:14 pm Post subject: |
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i7s are better than i5s. Especially when you use more than 1 GPU.
If the person can afford it, there's no reason to get an i5. |
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eamo

Joined: 08 Mar 2003 Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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Posted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 6:54 pm Post subject: |
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All you say is true BB........But, as my favorite tech site (anandtech) keeps saying, it's not absolute performance that wins out, but performance at a given price point.
Then you factor in things like power and heat and noise issues.......I think the ATI 5000 series is cooler, quieter and less power hungry than the Nvidia 4xx series at most price levels. Nvidia just seems to throw millions of transistors and brute power into their GPU's.........I'd say ATI have a leaner, better, smarter design at the moment.
Intel is definitely on top of the CPU scene right now. I just thought the spec and price of the Phenom II X6 was a very competitive deal........
Plus..........if I'm honest.......I don't like buying from the fatcats......I prefer to give my money to the competition to do my bit to keep the computer market competitive. |
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Bloopity Bloop

Joined: 26 Apr 2009 Location: Seoul yo
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Posted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 8:10 pm Post subject: |
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vDroop wrote: |
i7s are better than i5s. Especially when you use more than 1 GPU.
If the person can afford it, there's no reason to get an i5. |
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Bloopity Bloop

Joined: 26 Apr 2009 Location: Seoul yo
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Posted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 8:12 pm Post subject: |
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eamo wrote: |
All you say is true BB........But, as my favorite tech site (anandtech) keeps saying, it's not absolute performance that wins out, but performance at a given price point.
Then you factor in things like power and heat and noise issues.......I think the ATI 5000 series is cooler, quieter and less power hungry than the Nvidia 4xx series at most price levels. Nvidia just seems to throw millions of transistors and brute power into their GPU's.........I'd say ATI have a leaner, better, smarter design at the moment.
Intel is definitely on top of the CPU scene right now. I just thought the spec and price of the Phenom II X6 was a very competitive deal........
Plus..........if I'm honest.......I don't like buying from the fatcats......I prefer to give my money to the competition to do my bit to keep the computer market competitive. |
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vDroop
Joined: 25 Aug 2010
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Posted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 9:34 pm Post subject: |
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Bloopity Bloop wrote: |
vDroop wrote: |
i7s are better than i5s. Especially when you use more than 1 GPU.
If the person can afford it, there's no reason to get an i5. |
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What's the roll eyes for Bloopity? Seems like no one can post anything contradictory to what you say around these tech forums. I guess you can't understand my post? I don't read Tom's much, but it seems you do, so if you need an article to back up what I'm saying then here:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/core-i5-lynnfield,2379-12.html
If you need more benchmarks of i7 vs i5 when running SLI or Crossfire let me know. Not trying to have a nerd fight here, but just throwing the old roll eyes around like I'm an idiot is a bit offensive.
Also curious why you recommend people save money with an i5 because 98% of users won't benefit from such a small increase, and then you slap 1600MHz ram in your recommended rig?
Anyway cheers mate. |
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eamo

Joined: 08 Mar 2003 Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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Posted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 7:35 pm Post subject: |
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vDroop wrote: |
Bloopity Bloop wrote: |
vDroop wrote: |
i7s are better than i5s. Especially when you use more than 1 GPU.
If the person can afford it, there's no reason to get an i5. |
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What's the roll eyes for Bloopity? |
Maybe the roll-eyes is because you are saying i7's are better than i5's! Well, duh! Of course they are!
But in bang-for-buck terms the i5's might be a better deal........and, of course, it always depends on the users needs. If you need what an i7 does then, yeah, you should cough up the extra clams. |
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akcrono
Joined: 11 Mar 2010
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Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2010 2:48 am Post subject: |
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eamo wrote: |
vDroop wrote: |
Bloopity Bloop wrote: |
vDroop wrote: |
i7s are better than i5s. Especially when you use more than 1 GPU.
If the person can afford it, there's no reason to get an i5. |
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What's the roll eyes for Bloopity? |
Maybe the roll-eyes is because you are saying i7's are better than i5's! Well, duh! Of course they are!
But in bang-for-buck terms the i5's might be a better deal........and, of course, it always depends on the users needs. If you need what an i7 does then, yeah, you should cough up the extra clams. |
Bang for the buck has other considerations too, such as future proofing a rig. Since the i7's have been top of the food chain for awhile now, (over 2 years?), it seems like a worthwhile investment, as they should remain high end for another few years at this rate.
Not that the i5 or AMD opinions are without merrit, but I'm not sure 6 cores is really worth it. For years now I've been hearing "when multi-threaded applications become standard", but now MANY years after hyperthreading and the first dual core cpu, multi-threaded applications are still rather uncommon. I think that most users would benefit from a fster processor rather than more cores.
I was a big AMD guy when I first got into system building, but sadly I would go intel right now personally. I'm really pulling for AMD though, I like what they have to offer. My personal choice would be an i7 930 or 950 (since the price is close now) with a nice overclock. That should prevent me from having to upgrade mobo and cpu for a long time. |
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eamo

Joined: 08 Mar 2003 Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2010 5:09 am Post subject: |
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The AMD 6-cores may not seem so fast compared to their Intel rivals.....but overclock them......which I fully intend to do......and you can have 6 cores running at 4ghz on air.......that's gotta be good....any which way you slice it. |
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