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Bloopity Bloop
Joined: 26 Apr 2009
Location: Seoul yo
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 Posted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 4:48 am Post subject: |
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Automatic updates and windows firewall I agree with, they are mildly annoying at best and more than useless at their worst if you know what you are doing.
However, having a good antivirus in place for me is essential when I use my laptop on the go since I always dont have the time to be as vigilant as i should be with wireless networks. |
Haha. I remember cleaning the s___ out of an ex�s computer. Deleted a ton of bloatware and unnecessary apps. Next day she was magically back at ZERO free space. It was because of auto updates. I had given her at least 10gb the night prior with all the deletions. She was running XP. Once I shut the updates off and did another cleanup, the 5 year old computer was up and running perfectly again. For her though, I made sure to install Kaspersky. |
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vDroop
Joined: 25 Aug 2010
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| Posted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 6:19 pm Post subject: |
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Use a free anti-virus. It's free, what are you losing out on?
MSE (the best, OMG bill gates)
Avast (great)
AVG (good) |
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Bloopity Bloop
Joined: 26 Apr 2009
Location: Seoul yo
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| Posted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 8:25 pm Post subject: |
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| vDroop wrote: |
Use a free anti-virus. It's free, what are you losing out on?
MSE (the best, OMG bill gates)
Avast (great)
AVG (good) |
Do you even read?
Time and performance. I believe I mentioned those things several times throughout this thread.
I'll break it down for you...
Time is wasted running scans, the constant updating, waiting for your computer to do something because of lost performance, and stupid prompts telling you something might be dangerous.
You lose and have to deal with these things because of some irrational fear you'll get a virus surfing those dangerous internets?
As I said earlier, sensible net users shouldn't have to worry about getting a virus. Probably should have defined that in some way--tech savvy folks whose computers are predominantly used by tech savvy folks.
Like Leonidas mentioned, if other people (whether they are little kids or wives that have no clue what a QWERTY keyboard is) have regular, unrestricted access to your computer, then sure, get an anti-virus prog.
Judging by your comment here and in the i7 price drop thread, maybe you should have anti-virus installed.
Anyway, I'm done here. I guess most people that use anti-virus will continue to stick with it. I created this thread because I always notice people suggesting the installation of anti-virus software whenever someone is in the process of buying a new computer. |
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crossmr
Joined: 22 Nov 2008
Location: Hwayangdong, Seoul
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| Posted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 8:34 pm Post subject: |
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| microsoft security essentials is fine for now. It's free and not heavy. I didn't use an antivirus for years. I would occasionally use online scanners to check things, and I was always fine. If you don't click randomly on stuff, you would pretty much be fine. What happened though was eventually they got smarter, and every once in a while you could pick one up through legitimate sites. I finally got one after many years that was a pain in the neck to get rid of, so I decided to run MSE. |
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vDroop
Joined: 25 Aug 2010
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| Posted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 9:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Bloopity Bloop wrote: |
| vDroop wrote: |
Use a free anti-virus. It's free, what are you losing out on?
MSE (the best, OMG bill gates)
Avast (great)
AVG (good) |
Do you even read?
Time and performance. I believe I mentioned those things several times throughout this thread.
I'll break it down for you...
Time is wasted running scans, the constant updating, waiting for your computer to do something because of lost performance, and stupid prompts telling you something might be dangerous.
You lose and have to deal with these things because of some irrational fear you'll get a virus surfing those dangerous internets?
As I said earlier, sensible net users shouldn't have to worry about getting a virus. Probably should have defined that in some way--tech savvy folks whose computers are predominantly used by tech savvy folks.
Like Leonidas mentioned, if other people (whether they are little kids or wives that have no clue what a QWERTY keyboard is) have regular, unrestricted access to your computer, then sure, get an anti-virus prog.
Judging by your comment here and in the i7 price drop thread, maybe you should have anti-virus installed.
Anyway, I'm done here. I guess most people that use anti-virus will continue to stick with it. I created this thread because I always notice people suggesting the installation of anti-virus software whenever someone is in the process of buying a new computer. |
Wow, personal attacks because I recommended people use free anti-virus and gave them the 3 best options. Shame on me. |
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wormholes101
Joined: 11 Mar 2003
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| Posted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 3:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Bloopity Bloop wrote: |
Time is wasted running scans, the constant updating, waiting for your computer to do something because of lost performance, and stupid prompts telling you something might be dangerous. |
Schedule your scans for 3am. And if your computer is suffering from lost performance you are running a shit AV or your computer sucks. |
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eamo
Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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| Posted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 7:29 pm Post subject: |
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| wormholes101 wrote: |
| Bloopity Bloop wrote: |
Time is wasted running scans, the constant updating, waiting for your computer to do something because of lost performance, and stupid prompts telling you something might be dangerous. |
Schedule your scans for 3am. And if your computer is suffering from lost performance you are running a shit AV or your computer sucks. |
This is my take on it......if you have enough CPU and RAM grunt then running an anti-virus should make only a negligible effect on your computers speed. Except for those huge invasive bloatwares like Norton and McAfee.......they could bog down any computer.
.....small and light AV's like MSE and AVG don't really slow down a good computer.
Perversely, power-users who have fast machines with the power to run AV's without any ill effects are the people who also know how not to get viruses.....so they don't really need one.......but people with crappy machines tend to be the people who need an AV the most.
But, yeah, I'd say it's generally true that if you have good internet habits and don't open suspicious e-mail attachments (believe it or not, I know people who open all their spam mail and click on links in there!!) then you don't really need an AV. |
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Slowmotion
Joined: 15 Aug 2009
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| Posted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 9:50 pm Post subject: |
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This thread is crap. Anti virus is totally necessary.
I used to not have problems either and got lazy with it, then I got some annoyingggggg virus on my computer last year. Took a lot of effort to remove.
I also use the free AVG virus scanner and I'll randomly get viruses from some websites. It doesn't have to be a shady site, other sites can get infected too.
Virus scanner is a must. It's not worth losing all your valuable data. |
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languistic
Joined: 25 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 11:26 pm Post subject: |
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| wormholes101 wrote: |
| Bloopity Bloop wrote: |
Time is wasted running scans, the constant updating, waiting for your computer to do something because of lost performance, and stupid prompts telling you something might be dangerous. |
Schedule your scans for 3am. And if your computer is suffering from lost performance you are running a shit AV or your computer sucks. |
+10. |
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languistic
Joined: 25 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 11:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Slowmotion wrote: |
This thread is crap. Anti virus is totally necessary.
I used to not have problems either and got lazy with it, then I got some annoyingggggg virus on my computer last year. Took a lot of effort to remove.
I also use the free AVG virus scanner and I'll randomly get viruses from some websites. It doesn't have to be a shady site, other sites can get infected too.
Virus scanner is a must. It's not worth losing all your valuable data. |
This is not quite true.
It all depends on who the user is and their habits. I have never had a virus in 13 years, and I do not stand alone in such an assertion. If you are an alert user who keeps up on malware trends, know how viruses are passed onto users and have taken the appropriate measures to seal up your browser (and are using the right browser), then anti-virus is needless.
Now...I do run Avast free in "silent gaming mode", never run scans and frankly, only have it because it uses little resources, stays out of my way and because it is free. I would never pay for an AV....that would be foolish. If it goes away, I won't care; it has never helped me in any way. At one time, it was necessary; when I was a noob and so was everyone else! Anyone remember the CIH virus in '97 going around Korea? That alone made me use it in the first place and I guess old habits die hard.
So, it depends on the user. |
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murmanjake
Joined: 21 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2010 1:57 am Post subject: |
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| this is one thing I don't get. You claim to have no viruses on your computer, yet you do nothing to verify your assumption. Wouldn't it be prudent to run an online scanner, say , once a month to confirm your assumption. I generally don't download from random sites, and rarely visit questionable sites yet I get viruses and other nasties from time to time. Furthermore without scanning I never would have known they were there. |
This confuses me...
If you would have never known they were there, what difference would it make when they were removed?
Do viruses tend to hi-jack your personal banking info and such?
Most viruses I've encountered have done pain-in-the-arse things like redirecting browsers, force-killing task-manager, and doing other ridiculous things. Isn't one of the main aims of viruses to convince you to buy unnecessary software to remove them?
I'm in the same camp as the OP. No viruse protection, no problems. Then again my friends, and often my father, tend to get stupid viruses by clicking on stupid links, which I then try to remove(often unsuccessfully), and end up resorting to a clean install of windows(isn't that a wondrous feeling?). In a number of these cases Norton was installed, but did nothing to stop the infections....
Is the virus-scare a self-perpetuating money-maker for both the perps and the protectors? |
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isthisreally
Joined: 01 Sep 2007
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languistic
Joined: 25 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2010 1:51 pm Post subject: |
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| And by the way please install Secunia PSI. It will keep all your programs updated, not just windows. |
Wow...I wouldn't want that little sentry ringing in my software, that's for sure. How hard can it be to update a handful of programs from time to time? I wouldn't be placing my computer's security in another piece of software. |
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ulsanchris
Joined: 19 Jun 2003
Location: take a wild guess
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| Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2010 5:41 pm Post subject: |
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| ulsanchris wrote: |
| this is one thing I don't get. You claim to have no viruses on your computer, yet you do nothing to verify your assumption. Wouldn't it be prudent to run an online scanner, say , once a month to confirm your assumption. I generally don't download from random sites, and rarely visit questionable sites yet I get viruses and other nasties from time to time. Furthermore without scanning I never would have known they were there. |
This confuses me...
If you would have never known they were there, what difference would it make when they were removed?
Do viruses tend to hi-jack your personal banking info and such?
Most viruses I've encountered have done pain-in-the-arse things like redirecting browsers, force-killing task-manager, and doing other ridiculous things. Isn't one of the main aims of viruses to convince you to buy unnecessary software to remove them?
I'm in the same camp as the OP. No viruse protection, no problems. Then again my friends, and often my father, tend to get stupid viruses by clicking on stupid links, which I then try to remove(often unsuccessfully), and end up resorting to a clean install of windows(isn't that a wondrous feeling?). In a number of these cases Norton was installed, but did nothing to stop the infections....
Is the virus-scare a self-perpetuating money-maker for both the perps and the protectors? |
If i get a virus nowadays it tends to be a trojan. And as someone said, on another thread, viruses that want to steal information don't announce they are there. |
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jhicks99
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 10:42 pm Post subject: |
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I can't stand any additional programs lurking in the background.
I find it so frustrating using computers in Korea, most have a ton of anti-virus/anti-something software that blast you with a million prompts in Korean to make them go away.. only to come back in 10 minutes. Koreans are really paranoid with their computers it seems. I've experienced this at multiple hakwons and other Korean institutions.
I'd rather just roll the dice and be smart about what I open. I always read the comments in any executable torrent I've downloaded and so far I haven't been burned. Frankly if my computer had a meltdown tomorrow and I had to reformat from scratch, then so be it, it was still worth it NOT having any anti-virus software for a decade's worth of computing bog down my computers.
It's kind of like purchasing an extended warranty, such an utterly stupid waste of money (if they didn't profit it from it they wouldn't be selling the damn thing in the first place!). Just money grabs preying on the paranoia of the stupid.
How many times have you heard your friend or parent say they need a new computer because there's is slow, only to discover 10000 apps running at startup? ugh... |
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