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amanley206253



Joined: 09 Aug 2009

PostPosted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 5:47 pm    Post subject: Acne Reply with quote

You know when I was, say, 17 or 18 and just exiting high school and dealing with acne, I always envisioned a time when I neared my mid-20s that I'd not have to worry about acne anymore. As if my body would have then found a way to manufacture the proper chemical balance or produce antibodies capable of lessening or eliminating the problems altogether.

But, here I am at 24 and still having the same problems. My acne is certainly not severe, but annoying enough for me to consider it to need some attention. I've had some luck using different treatments, although I've never visited a dermatologist. I did attempt Proactiv, but because it was so expensive and at the time I had little money, I can hardly say I gave it a legitimate and lengthy try.

Any suggestions? Any luck with certain products? I'm fully aware that an individual's skin is different and thus reacts differently, but some products have reputations of being generally better. And, I know nothing about products offered in Korea, whose people seemingly have absolutely no problems with acne. Gah, whenever I come to school or go to a coffee shop with anything resembling acne on my face, I get these worried looks as if I'm hurt or having some kind of medical problem. They don't seem to understand.
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Louis VI



Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 6:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had massive jawline acne as a teenager but it all went away with adulthood. Good luck to you! I hear diet plays a factor. You should google those words and find studies about the effect of food consumption on acne growth.
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oldtactics



Joined: 18 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 6:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You might want to start with a topical gel like Clindamycin - if you go to a dermatologist, they'll be able to prescribe that or something similar, and you should definitely start with that! Derma visit will be around 10k and the medication will be around 20k, if I'm remembering correctly.

I went on Accutane last year and it changed my life. Most doctors in Korea prescribe much lower doses than in North America, and that cleared me up without giving me any side effects besides dry skin and hair. I took 20-30mg a day for 6 months. Check out the acne.org messageboards for more information. Keep in mind that Accutane is a serious drug and I recommend it as a last resort, but it did work for me.

Even doctors who don't speak much english will understand what you mean if you say 'acne'. Start with a dermatologist and see what they suggest Smile
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Koveras



Joined: 09 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 6:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ideas:

1. The Wai Diet - as Fat Louis mentioned, poor diet is a cause of acne. This diet (which you can find online) emphasizes fruits, raw nuts, raw egg yolks, and raw fish. It's strict but it works. Eventually you can ease off and reintroduce other foods.

2. Wash your face with water only. I found that even mild cleansers were bad for my skin.

3. Treat spots with a 2.5% benzoyl peroxide cream.

edit: Based on extensive personal experience I advise against prescription drugs.
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Rothbard



Joined: 23 Aug 2010

PostPosted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 6:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Koveras wrote:
Ideas:

1. The Wai Diet - as Fat Louis mentioned, poor diet is a cause of acne. This diet (which you can find online) emphasizes fruits, raw nuts, raw egg yolks, and raw fish. It's strict but it works. Eventually you can ease off and reintroduce other foods.

2. Wash your face with water only. I found that even mild cleansers were bad for my skin.

3. Treat spots with a 2.5% benzoyl peroxide cream.


I guarantee that cutting inflammatories like sugar, grains, flour and vegetable oils out of your diet will have an effect. Replace those things with animal fats. If you are fat the weight will melt off.
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Globutron



Joined: 13 Feb 2010
Location: England/Anyang

PostPosted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 6:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

From *my* personal experience, Doxycycline works a charm. Prescribed drug once a day. I stopped taking them in Korea because I never wanted to go docs and ask for them, and they've come right back. I was never on them the full time at all, but after a month the face was like a baby's arse consistently until I stopped using them.
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amanley206253



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 7:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Haha, the diet angle is obviously in good intention, but it assumes also that I have some type of weight or diet problem. My diet includes a regular mix of apples, oranges, grapefruits, muesli, fish, lots of water, milk, eggs, and tuna, and I exercise regularly and intensively. I say the following to detract from the direction the thread is leaning towards: I'm in quite excellent shape.

Which, too, I've often considered as either a source or supplement to the acne problem. Many times, and this could be a condition of overthinking and attributing unrelated activities into a singular cause, I feel as though sweating is a cause. I have always been a sweaty person, specifically when the season is about late Spring and well into Fall.

I've tried to recall if the acne problem has generally worsened in these months, and I can't say that it does. This doesn't help the sweat theory. But, I've sworn that, from the beginning of a work day where I tend to develop mild evidences of sweat on my face, until its end, I notice a subtle outbreak that occurs that either brings new spots of red or intensifies the ones already there.

And so I spend most of my thoughts on how to determine a solution in a practical way, before going through the list of prescriptions and cleansers to throw on my face, knowing that their use could very well be worsening the problem.

Hope this furthers the thread. I'm intrigued by the Accutane tip considering I had a friend in high school who used it and had success. I might visit a dermatologist in a few days here.
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NYC_Gal



Joined: 08 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 7:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lush makes a really nice mud soap. If you do change your diet and drink a lot of water, this may do it for you. Why not go to a dermatologist. Let her/him know that you'd prefer to try the non-medicated methods first, and, if all else fails, ask about medications. Diet + water + mud/clay should do wonders, though.

Your diet may include a lot of healthy things, but what about the rest? Eliminate anything (alcohol, being around smokers if possible, and excessively sugary fruit) that may be a trigger. You may even have to kick the muesli for a month or so. It's worth a try for a month, anyway.
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Louis VI



Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 7:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

amanley206253 wrote:
Haha, the diet angle is obviously in good intention, but it assumes also that I have some type of weight or diet problem. My diet includes a regular mix of apples, oranges, grapefruits, muesli, fish, lots of water, milk, eggs, and tuna, and I exercise regularly and intensively. I say the following to detract from the direction the thread is leaning towards: I'm in quite excellent shape.

Your flippant dismissal of food as a contributing factor is based on ignorance of the facts. Look them up. You consume a lot of fructose eh? Again, google is your friend. Do some research instead of assuming that you don't need to change any habits. Or... JUST TAKE A PILL! Yes, that option exists. Good luck whatever.
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Globutron



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 8:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Food isn't directly related. Someone could have the most spot-free diet in the world and still flare up, but that chances are it's partly related.
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amanley206253



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 8:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Louis VI wrote:
amanley206253 wrote:
Haha, the diet angle is obviously in good intention, but it assumes also that I have some type of weight or diet problem. My diet includes a regular !mix! of apples, oranges, grapefruits, muesli, fish, lots of water, milk, eggs, and tuna, and I exercise regularly and intensively. I say the following to detract from the direction the thread is leaning towards: I'm in quite excellent shape.

Your flippant dismissal of food as a contributing factor is based on ignorance of the facts. Look them up. You consume a lot of fructose eh? Again, google is your friend. Do some research instead of assuming that you don't need to change any habits. Or... JUST TAKE A PILL! Yes, that option exists. Good luck whatever.



And your flippant supposition creates the impression that I don't go a day without eating either of the three. My diet goes through a rotation that sees me eating an approximate of no less than 3 but no more than 5 fruits (whole) in a week. And with the combination of exercise that I only reserve for the end of the day (after which I never eat fruit), the fruit sugar you assume I am overlooking nestles into a likely harmless slot of the day, and precedes the exercise that, depending on the intensity of course, will effectively "use itself up".

You're not one of those users who assumes an anger-and-wisdom role by chance. Of course not.

Also I get the impression in looking at the rest of my family of the relationship the acne has with general heredity causes. My older sister had acne problems, but now no longer has problems. She's four years older than I. My mom had problems when she was younger and has no such problems nowadays, aside from an occasional blemish. Of course I'm willing to investigate problems that I'm causing unknowingly, but I've done quite enough on my own to know which places to look and not to look, and where to investigate the next course of action previously untried or untried thoroughly.
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Rothbard



Joined: 23 Aug 2010

PostPosted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 8:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Louis VI wrote:
amanley206253 wrote:
Haha, the diet angle is obviously in good intention, but it assumes also that I have some type of weight or diet problem. My diet includes a regular mix of apples, oranges, grapefruits, muesli, fish, lots of water, milk, eggs, and tuna, and I exercise regularly and intensively. I say the following to detract from the direction the thread is leaning towards: I'm in quite excellent shape.

Your flippant dismissal of food as a contributing factor is based on ignorance of the facts. Look them up. You consume a lot of fructose eh? Again, google is your friend. Do some research instead of assuming that you don't need to change any habits. Or... JUST TAKE A PILL! Yes, that option exists. Good luck whatever.


Beat me to it. Modern fruit has been bred to be as sweet as possible. Where do you think sugar comes from?

Having said that, it is completely possible that diet isn't the cause. I suffer from eczema, and I can't really pin down any particular food that causes it. Perhaps grape fruit and other acidic citrus fruits. It seems to be worse around spring (pollen), and also when I sweat.
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Dazed and Confused



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 8:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had slight acne problems but didn't want daily antibiotics as I have too many nasty, nasty side effects with them. I had very good success with laser treatments. You can PM me for his number.
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amanley206253



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 9:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rothbard wrote:


Modern fruit has been bred to be as sweet as possible


I assume you're talking about genetically enhancing the fruit. However the goal of that is normally for fruit size and quantity, although I did only a little research on that a few years ago and I...can't quite recall fruit sweetness being a goal of gene modification.

edit: although I can imagine reasons for doing so (enhancing the taste of a secondary product that uses the fruit in order to better the taste, while still maintaining that their product is full of nothing-but-fruit-juice)

I'm actually currently trying to find out if the source the fruit shop I where I usually buy from, buys from, produce their supply organically - this is a separate issue, however. Other than that, I totally agree. If I can't help it, I lean towards something organic (and thankfully in Korea, organic prices aren't quite as wild as prices in America).
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Rothbard



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 10:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

amanley206253 wrote:
Rothbard wrote:


Modern fruit has been bred to be as sweet as possible


I assume you're talking about genetically enhancing the fruit. However the goal of that is normally for fruit size and quantity, although I did only a little research on that a few years ago and I...can't quite recall fruit sweetness being a goal of gene modification.


No, that isn't what I meant. I was referring to fruit that has been bred for certain characteristics. As opposed to how it is found in its natural state in the wild. You can breed certain traits into organisms by selecting desirable characteristics and breeding them across generations.
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