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eamo
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Bang for the buck has other considerations too, such as future proofing a rig. Since the i7's have been top of the food chain for awhile now, (over 2 years?), it seems like a worthwhile investment, as they should remain high end for another few years at this rate.
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Well, the 32nm CPU codenamed Sandy bridge will be next for Intel.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/3871/the-sandy-bridge-preview-three-wins-in-a-row
The current i7 CPU's will seem slow in about 18 months.
That's the nature of tech......nothing lasts 'a few years'. |
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vDroop
Joined: 25 Aug 2010
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| Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2010 7:03 am Post subject: |
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Bang for the buck has other considerations too, such as future proofing a rig. Since the i7's have been top of the food chain for awhile now, (over 2 years?), it seems like a worthwhile investment, as they should remain high end for another few years at this rate.
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Well, the 32nm CPU codenamed Sandy bridge will be next for Intel.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/3871/the-sandy-bridge-preview-three-wins-in-a-row
The current i7 CPU's will seem slow in about 18 months.
That's the nature of tech......nothing lasts 'a few years'. |
We don't for sure yet, but it seems that due to the architecture of the sandy, it won't really be overclock-able. A lot of gamers will skip that intel generation, stick with their i7s, or look at the AMD Bulldozer. |
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spanky1off
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| Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2010 8:16 am Post subject: |
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im abit disillusioned by all of this fantastic processing and graphics horsepower which seems wasted on games which are 99% ports of 4-5 year old console tech...pc gaming has had its day im sad to say. though for ceretain games i still prefer playing on pc than consoles. and some games are superior like bad company 2. but all my mates are now ps3/xbox 360 owners with no interest in pcs.
i used to love doing this upgrade routine. working out whats the best bang for buck components but alas it just doesnt seem worth it now. upgrades just arent as frequently required anymore if you buy and plan it right.
my comp has run games more or less maxed out for the last 3 years (except for a 5850 graphics card update from a very old one) running a q6600 overclocked to 3.2 ghz on air.
personally i think my next upgrade will be based on the motherboards supporting intels lightpeak if its as good as it sounds. i'll look at the processer market then. plus intel chip support of usb 3 and sata 3 would be nice. |
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akcrono
Joined: 11 Mar 2010
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| Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2010 11:37 pm Post subject: |
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Bang for the buck has other considerations too, such as future proofing a rig. Since the i7's have been top of the food chain for awhile now, (over 2 years?), it seems like a worthwhile investment, as they should remain high end for another few years at this rate.
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Well, the 32nm CPU codenamed Sandy bridge will be next for Intel.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/3871/the-sandy-bridge-preview-three-wins-in-a-row
The current i7 CPU's will seem slow in about 18 months.
That's the nature of tech......nothing lasts 'a few years'. |
The i7's have been doing just that: lasting longer at the top than any other part I can think of. The new releases (inc sandy) still dont overthrow the high end i7's for either standard performance or overclocking headroom. |
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red_devil
Joined: 30 Jun 2008
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 6:14 pm Post subject: |
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This is my gaming rig i'm looking at getting built. I'm a FPS gamer and will be playing the new Medal of Honor and COD: Black Ops.
Intel� Core� i7 960 Quad Core Processor (3.2GHz, 8MB Cache)
Intel Extreme Series LGA 1366 Intel X58 ATX Intel Motherboard
Dual 1.5GB GDDR5 NVIDIA� GeForce� GTX 480 - SLI Enabled
6GB� Triple Channel 1600MHz DDR3
Single Drive: Blu-ray Disc (BD) Combo (Reads BD and Writes to DVD/CD)
Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Titanium
256GB SSD - Samsung Solid State Drive (For boot)
1.2TB RAID 0 (2x 600GB SATA-II, 10k RPM, 32MB Cache HDDs) (For Storage)
Integrated Liquid Cooling System
Any recommendations on power supply? Also for liquid cooling systems is mineral oil recommended or something else? |
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eamo
Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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| Posted: Sat Oct 16, 2010 11:38 pm Post subject: |
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This is my gaming rig i'm looking at getting built. I'm a FPS gamer and will be playing the new Medal of Honor and COD: Black Ops.
Intel� Core� i7 960 Quad Core Processor (3.2GHz, 8MB Cache)
Intel Extreme Series LGA 1366 Intel X58 ATX Intel Motherboard
Dual 1.5GB GDDR5 NVIDIA� GeForce� GTX 480 - SLI Enabled
6GB� Triple Channel 1600MHz DDR3
Single Drive: Blu-ray Disc (BD) Combo (Reads BD and Writes to DVD/CD)
Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Titanium
256GB SSD - Samsung Solid State Drive (For boot)
1.2TB RAID 0 (2x 600GB SATA-II, 10k RPM, 32MB Cache HDDs) (For Storage)
Integrated Liquid Cooling System
Any recommendations on power supply? Also for liquid cooling systems is mineral oil recommended or something else? |
You seriously going to build that?
The GTX480 in SLI is overkill for those COD/MOH games. One would be plenty.....even a single GTX 460 or ATI 5850 could probably max those games out......save yourself about a million bucks!!!
If you really want to go forward and get 2 GTX480's (are you Bill Gates?) then you'll need a 1000w PSU to be on the safe side. Coolermaster and Corsair seem widely available in Korea.
No idea about liquid cooling because I've never needed it. I do OC but not to the level where liquid cooling would be required......the CPU's out now have really good thermal behaviour. Air cooling is usually enough up to about 4ghz.....after that you really need to be an enthusiast and know your BIOS settings well. |
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Kimchifart
Joined: 15 Sep 2010
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| Posted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 7:04 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for the info! I'll contribute to this thread with my own.
For those interested in gaming, SKIP the i7 and go for the i5. Here is THE indisputable best gaming computer for those with normal budgets (~1k-1.5k USD). In fact, I challenge anyone to come up with a more powerful, better performing rig in terms of price/performance ratio. Keep in mind that this will absolutely rip through any game at full settings even on monitors with resolutions above 1920x1080.
Here's the rig with US prices--I know they aren't the same here, but you'd pay more for any other computer so it doesn't matter
Processor: i5 760 ~$210 (or... $170 if you live near a MicroCenter)
Hands down THE best processor for gaming factoring in the price--gaming comps won't make full use of anything more expensive than this.
Graphics: 2 Nvidia DX11 GTX 460s in SLI ~ $450-500
This combination destroys any single card out there and for the price is an unbeatable combo. Should remain close to the top for a few years (a lifetime in terms of gaming comps).
Mobo: ASUS P7P55D-E Pro LGA 1156 Intel P55 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard - $180
Might be better motherboards out there, but this has been proven to work best with the config
RAM: G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory - $100:
All the ram you'll need to play any game at max. Don't let these new i7 rigs with double digit ram sway you.
As far as the rest of the rig...
I'd recommend a Corsair 750w Power Supply
I always prefer a full tower for the real-estate but a mid would be fine, too.
In order to make FULL use of the rig, get a Solid State Drive for booting windows and a few apps/games. Get a secondary large HD for storage/everything else. Prices have come down enough so that you can get a 60gb or 120gb without breaking the bank.
There you have it folks. The ultimate gaming computer for today. I'd be buying this rig in an instant if I wasn't living in Korea at the moment. Can't justify paying the extra hundreds of thousands of won.
Hope this helps anyone looking to build a new gaming rig. |
Dude, thanks for that, really. One of the things that's been bugging me is getting a "future proof" motherboard and that one looks like it'll fit the bill. |
No Intel motherboard these days is future proof in any sense. They change their sockets as often as their socks. |
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Kimchifart
Joined: 15 Sep 2010
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| Posted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 7:08 am Post subject: |
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| eamo wrote: |
| red_devil wrote: |
This is my gaming rig i'm looking at getting built. I'm a FPS gamer and will be playing the new Medal of Honor and COD: Black Ops.
Intel� Core� i7 960 Quad Core Processor (3.2GHz, 8MB Cache)
Intel Extreme Series LGA 1366 Intel X58 ATX Intel Motherboard
Dual 1.5GB GDDR5 NVIDIA� GeForce� GTX 480 - SLI Enabled
6GB� Triple Channel 1600MHz DDR3
Single Drive: Blu-ray Disc (BD) Combo (Reads BD and Writes to DVD/CD)
Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Titanium
256GB SSD - Samsung Solid State Drive (For boot)
1.2TB RAID 0 (2x 600GB SATA-II, 10k RPM, 32MB Cache HDDs) (For Storage)
Integrated Liquid Cooling System
Any recommendations on power supply? Also for liquid cooling systems is mineral oil recommended or something else? |
You seriously going to build that?
The GTX480 in SLI is overkill for those COD/MOH games. One would be plenty.....even a single GTX 460 or ATI 5850 could probably max those games out......save yourself about a million bucks!!!
If you really want to go forward and get 2 GTX480's (are you Bill Gates?) then you'll need a 1000w PSU to be on the safe side. Coolermaster and Corsair seem widely available in Korea.
No idea about liquid cooling because I've never needed it. I do OC but not to the level where liquid cooling would be required......the CPU's out now have really good thermal behaviour. Air cooling is usually enough up to about 4ghz.....after that you really need to be an enthusiast and know your BIOS settings well. |
As said before, I would drop the 480, wait a bit for the radeon 6 series to come out and get a 5870 or 5850 at a reduced price (they will destroy the sort of games you're playing)
As said before, drop the water cooling. Chips OC to insanity on air cooling these days.
I would also drop the 10k raid array. awful idea. you'll end up losing your data like that. Get an Intel ssd for your windows installation, not a Samsung (Intels are pretty much the fastest at the moment, but other companies have just started to catch up/beat them) and just get a standard 7200 rpm 1 TB hard drive for yur 'legitimate video files' etc. You can slap another cheap 1TB in for backups. RAID 0 does not really give the speed increases it promises unless you were thinking of mirroring them rather than zeroing them. R0 is also bloody noisy. With 10Ks it will be ridiculous.
I personally would buy a lower end i5 and OC it. You therefore also save money on the mobo. You can use that budget much more intelligently. |
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red_devil
Joined: 30 Jun 2008
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 6:53 am Post subject: |
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| Kimchifart wrote: |
| eamo wrote: |
| red_devil wrote: |
This is my gaming rig i'm looking at getting built. I'm a FPS gamer and will be playing the new Medal of Honor and COD: Black Ops.
Intel� Core� i7 960 Quad Core Processor (3.2GHz, 8MB Cache)
Intel Extreme Series LGA 1366 Intel X58 ATX Intel Motherboard
Dual 1.5GB GDDR5 NVIDIA� GeForce� GTX 480 - SLI Enabled
6GB� Triple Channel 1600MHz DDR3
Single Drive: Blu-ray Disc (BD) Combo (Reads BD and Writes to DVD/CD)
Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Titanium
256GB SSD - Samsung Solid State Drive (For boot)
1.2TB RAID 0 (2x 600GB SATA-II, 10k RPM, 32MB Cache HDDs) (For Storage)
Integrated Liquid Cooling System
Any recommendations on power supply? Also for liquid cooling systems is mineral oil recommended or something else? |
You seriously going to build that?
The GTX480 in SLI is overkill for those COD/MOH games. One would be plenty.....even a single GTX 460 or ATI 5850 could probably max those games out......save yourself about a million bucks!!!
If you really want to go forward and get 2 GTX480's (are you Bill Gates?) then you'll need a 1000w PSU to be on the safe side. Coolermaster and Corsair seem widely available in Korea.
No idea about liquid cooling because I've never needed it. I do OC but not to the level where liquid cooling would be required......the CPU's out now have really good thermal behaviour. Air cooling is usually enough up to about 4ghz.....after that you really need to be an enthusiast and know your BIOS settings well. |
As said before, I would drop the 480, wait a bit for the radeon 6 series to come out and get a 5870 or 5850 at a reduced price (they will destroy the sort of games you're playing)
As said before, drop the water cooling. Chips OC to insanity on air cooling these days.
I would also drop the 10k raid array. awful idea. you'll end up losing your data like that. Get an Intel ssd for your windows installation, not a Samsung (Intels are pretty much the fastest at the moment, but other companies have just started to catch up/beat them) and just get a standard 7200 rpm 1 TB hard drive for yur 'legitimate video files' etc. You can slap another cheap 1TB in for backups. RAID 0 does not really give the speed increases it promises unless you were thinking of mirroring them rather than zeroing them. R0 is also bloody noisy. With 10Ks it will be ridiculous.
I personally would buy a lower end i5 and OC it. You therefore also save money on the mobo. You can use that budget much more intelligently. |
Cheers on the HD advice. I'll probably go with what you suggested, didn't know the Intel SSD's were better than the Samsung ones.
I'll stick with the i7 - i think 1366 socket is the way to go and the Triple Channel memory. And i can still OC it via Turbo. Personally i'm a fan of NVidia so i'll probably stay with that - i could probably hold off the dual SLi for now, can always add it later.
Liquid cooling is a must for me, i can't stand the fan noise and with a system like this even if the temp is ok with fans, the noise will drive me nuts especially since it's in my bedroom and i leave my PC on overnight downloading stuff. |
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sheriffadam
Joined: 10 May 2010
Location: Busan
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| Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 7:24 am Post subject: |
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could probably hold off the dual SLi for now, can always add it later.
Liquid cooling is a must for me, i can't stand the fan noise and with a system like this even if the temp is ok with fans, the noise will drive me nuts especially since it's in my bedroom and i leave my PC on overnight downloading stuff. |
wowzers, expensive rig to be left running just for downloads, not got a netbook to hand? The HDDs especially 10K especially raid would be a killer there too! Good advice just getting a 1Tb drive and building from there.
a 256Gb SSD can't be cheap either! Not even going to shock myself on the price by looking 
for liquid cooling you mean an off the shelf already enclosed unit? Something like this: http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=HS-002-CI&groupid=962&catid=1532&subcat=
I mean there's still 2 fans on there? |
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Goodgoings
Joined: 27 Mar 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 6:31 pm Post subject: |
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| So did the i7s prices come down in Korea by now? |
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red_devil
Joined: 30 Jun 2008
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 8:39 pm Post subject: |
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could probably hold off the dual SLi for now, can always add it later.
Liquid cooling is a must for me, i can't stand the fan noise and with a system like this even if the temp is ok with fans, the noise will drive me nuts especially since it's in my bedroom and i leave my PC on overnight downloading stuff. |
wowzers, expensive rig to be left running just for downloads, not got a netbook to hand? The HDDs especially 10K especially raid would be a killer there too! Good advice just getting a 1Tb drive and building from there.
a 256Gb SSD can't be cheap either! Not even going to shock myself on the price by looking
for liquid cooling you mean an off the shelf already enclosed unit? Something like this: http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=HS-002-CI&groupid=962&catid=1532&subcat=
I mean there's still 2 fans on there? |
As i mentioned in my original post i'm a hardcore FPS gamer. I just download stuff while i'm sleeping. I'm not a liquid cooling expert which is why i'm looking for someone that knows but from what i can gather, the best is to have an integrated case specifically for liquid cooling, and any "fans" are not fans for cooling but heat vents for hot air. They don't run at the speeds cooling fans do so they're not that loud. But that's what the blogs say.
By the way the PC shop links are a bit outdated. Anyone know of a good and trustworthy custom PC shop that knows liquid cooling systems? |
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noky
Joined: 14 Jul 2010
Location: Yeongcheon
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crossmr
Joined: 22 Nov 2008
Location: Hwayangdong, Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 6:36 pm Post subject: |
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| I got a case called "Expresso" it has 4 fans on it an option to get 2 more fans on the side. 1 front and back and 2 on the top. The top 2 are on a raised bit with a speed control and 2 usb ports (it has a cable on the back that plugs into 2 of your motherboard ports. Kind of handy, gives me 7 ports on the front and 2 on the back (4 normal panel, 1 on my card reader, and the 2 top ones) even at full speed the fans aren't noisy at all. |
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bashar_shboul
Joined: 27 Sep 2010
Location: Daejeon
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| Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 3:09 am Post subject: |
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Hey guys,
i suggest you have a look at the HP Elite 390KR, i got one last week, it is something.. |
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