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ChiangMaiCharlie



Joined: 25 May 2010
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 12:13 am    Post subject: Where are all the jobs???? Reply with quote

Hey where are all the jobs? There's like two postings put up today despite new visa regs and terms starting???

I came back to Korea with all my docs thinking it'd be fairly straightforward to pick up another public or private school but there aren't even that many hagwans advertising.
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Waluigi



Joined: 09 Apr 2009

PostPosted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 1:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are about as many jobs here at the moment as there are in Chiang Mai, Charlie... ie - not many.

You really have to have some kind of connection here at the moment to find jobs. I was applying for ages and hearing nothing from recruiters, and I wasn't even insisting on Seoul like most people seem to. I got lucky and a friend of a friend posted on Facebook about a job coming free, which I applied for and got.

It seems every couple of days there's a thread on here about there being no jobs... it is certainly a lot different than it was just a year ago.. Sad
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isthisreally



Joined: 01 Sep 2007

PostPosted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 3:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

craigslist
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Louis VI



Joined: 05 Jul 2010
Location: In my Kingdom

PostPosted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 3:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I helped my hagwon boss hire someone by sifting through applicants: about 50 replied to the ad, half of them form replies with no tailoring to the specific job being offered so into the trash can they went; of the remaining two dozen only six or seven had all their documents in hand and ready to go and provided the requested info and picture and contact phone number with their email, and a shortlist of four was made and contacted and from them only two were available and keen to do phone interviews and one job offer was made. Where along that process would you have been axed?
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paulandsilas



Joined: 18 Aug 2010
Location: Daejeon, South Korea

PostPosted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 5:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had to use a recruiter to find a job, and he pretty much indicated that you have to be open to going anywhere. I've been in Daejeon for about a week.
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Junior



Joined: 18 Nov 2005
Location: the eye

PostPosted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 6:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jobwise Korea has become far more trouble and expense than it is worth. Certainly not for the calibre of jobs on offer.

I've come this far down the road so I'll see it through now, but..never again.
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SeoulNate



Joined: 04 Jun 2010
Location: Hyehwa

PostPosted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 8:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Louis VI wrote:
I helped my hagwon boss hire someone by sifting through applicants: about 50 replied to the ad, half of them form replies with no tailoring to the specific job being offered so into the trash can they went; of the remaining two dozen only six or seven had all their documents in hand and ready to go and provided the requested info and picture and contact phone number with their email, and a shortlist of four was made and contacted and from them only two were available and keen to do phone interviews and one job offer was made. Where along that process would you have been axed?


this +1

I have done the same thing twice in the past 3 months. I would say we got upwards of 50-100 candidates each time and an amazing amount couldn't follow the simple instructions on what to include when they applied. It makes me wonder how any of them were employed in their home countries.
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be the ball



Joined: 19 Oct 2009

PostPosted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 11:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SeoulNate wrote:
Louis VI wrote:
I helped my hagwon boss hire someone by sifting through applicants: about 50 replied to the ad, half of them form replies with no tailoring to the specific job being offered so into the trash can they went; of the remaining two dozen only six or seven had all their documents in hand and ready to go and provided the requested info and picture and contact phone number with their email, and a shortlist of four was made and contacted and from them only two were available and keen to do phone interviews and one job offer was made. Where along that process would you have been axed?


this +1

I have done the same thing twice in the past 3 months. I would say we got upwards of 50-100 candidates each time and an amazing amount couldn't follow the simple instructions on what to include when they applied. It makes me wonder how any of them were employed in their home countries.



I've been in and out of Korea for work since 1995, and one thing I will say hasn't changed much: Many, perhaps most, of the teachers here were more than likely unemployable in their home countries.
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RMNC



Joined: 21 Jul 2010

PostPosted: Tue Aug 31, 2010 12:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is why I never have fear of being able to get a new contract, I am able to follow simple instructions, have everything ready to go, a good picture, a professional looking resume, contact info, an e-mail that is professional and serious, and I'm willing to do an interview late at night to get a job.

Most people don't meet those qualifications.
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mm



Joined: 01 Jul 2010

PostPosted: Tue Aug 31, 2010 1:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SeoulNate wrote:
Louis VI wrote:
I helped my hagwon boss hire someone by sifting through applicants: about 50 replied to the ad, half of them form replies with no tailoring to the specific job being offered so into the trash can they went; of the remaining two dozen only six or seven had all their documents in hand and ready to go and provided the requested info and picture and contact phone number with their email, and a shortlist of four was made and contacted and from them only two were available and keen to do phone interviews and one job offer was made. Where along that process would you have been axed?


this +1

I have done the same thing twice in the past 3 months. I would say we got upwards of 50-100 candidates each time and an amazing amount couldn't follow the simple instructions on what to include when they applied. It makes me wonder how any of them were employed in their home countries.


+2

My workplace requested that applicants mail their packages in. They wrote on the advertisement in big bold letters NO EMAILS. Around 75 people never got their application read because they emailed it in.
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Hotwire



Joined: 29 Aug 2010
Location: Multiverse

PostPosted: Tue Aug 31, 2010 3:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

RMNC wrote:
This is why I never have fear of being able to get a new contract, I am able to follow simple instructions, have everything ready to go, a good picture, a professional looking resume, contact info, an e-mail that is professional and serious, and I'm willing to do an interview late at night to get a job.

Most people don't meet those qualifications.


I have all of those plus experience, great references and a decent TEFL cert and am in Korea already.

Have been searching for 6 weeks and not even a nibble.
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Hawkeye Pierce



Joined: 22 Jan 2010
Location: Uijeongbu

PostPosted: Tue Aug 31, 2010 3:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

be the ball wrote:
I've been in and out of Korea for work since 1995, and one thing I will say hasn't changed much: Many, perhaps most, of the teachers here were more than likely unemployable in their home countries.


Right, North American recent university grads are unemployable in North America so they have taken jobs here at lower salaries than those people with experience. This has caused a large shift in the job market here for experienced teachers.

You are right. Teachers with MA's in TESOL and good TEFL certs probably have a hard time finding ESL work in English speaking countries, and what work they might find there doesn't pay very well relative to the cost of living.

Luckily, the world is a large place and there are more opportunities to teach ESL in places other than South Korea.
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hagwonnewbie



Joined: 09 Feb 2007
Location: Asia

PostPosted: Tue Aug 31, 2010 12:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The job board here used to average around 30 jobs per day. Thats' a huge loss.

Did someone say craigslist?
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devanna



Joined: 05 Aug 2010

PostPosted: Tue Aug 31, 2010 4:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had been wondering that myself! I thought it'd be easy to find a job going to Korea and I had a friend that recommended the eslcafe to me and said that it'd take me less than a week to get a job offer.

I started applying seriously around the beginning of July, which was when I finally got all my documents together (it took almost two months; my state is really slow to get anything done...). I contacted twenty recruiters and only ONE got back to me. And that was after at least three weeks of just applying for just about every job that was displayed on the boards. I thought I had to settle for being outside of Gyeonggi-do, but then oh! about two weeks later, I got contacted by one other recruiter who offered me a job in Suwon that I decided to hang on to with dear life.

What was really annoying is that after I pretty much sign the contract and started processing my visa, that I was contacted from recruiters about schools that want to have interviews with me.

In my opinion, I think it really depends on when you're looking for a job. I was looking throughout the summer and didn't get anything. As soon as it hit August/September months, it seems like there are more schools that are looking for workers.

What I also found that was interesting was that I didn't really get any recruiters when I was applying only with a headshot and my resume and a short message outlining who I was. They really responded when I revised my approach and wrote out a long message stating my phone number, hours to reach me, specifics that I was looking for in a job (ie, location, age group) and also added a full length picture of myself that was very much casual (it was a picture from my graduation party).

What also really helps is that you keep on emailing them after their first initial response. You keep them from forgetting that you're there and also they know you're still looking for a job so that they don't put you on the 'oh, i guess they found a position since i haven't heard from them in a week' pile.

Man, I think I should just make a blog that explains this sort of thing, cause I felt SO inadequate as a person when I didn't get any responses from recruiters. It'd help if someone could have told me it was just how things were.
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almightyze



Joined: 29 Aug 2010

PostPosted: Tue Aug 31, 2010 5:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, it does look like a timing matter. I applied to, I think, 6 or 7 recruiters one day last week, and 3 or 4 responded to me. What's also important is the matter of when: I've been asking for positions in October/November, which is probably the earliest I can get over there once documentation was completed and such.
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