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alljokingaside
Joined: 17 Feb 2010
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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9635993
The results of the cohort study you're probably referring to is one a many studies; results of which gave both supportive and contradictory results.
(ie http://jech.bmj.com/content/37/1/32.abstract which finds a correlation between alcohol/sat fats arterial pressure)
Either way, ignoring the LDL/sat. fat content, the excessive sodium and sugar, and sheer volume should get your blood curling and add a few notches to your unproverbial belt.
anyway, on to better things,
the el nino (aka "makes me homesick")
http://www.thisiswhyyourefat.com/?p=212954411
and
http://www.thisiswhyyourefat.com/?p=1069#comments
Turbaconduckenriblets
1) Made of riblets individually wrapped in bacon stuffed with stuffing into
2) a deboned chicken, wrapped in bacon stuffed with stuffing into
3) a deboned duck, wrapped in bacon stuffed with stuffing into
4) a deboned turkey, wrapped in woven bacon strips
and slow cooked for 7 hrs!!!!! |
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Illysook
Joined: 30 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 12:55 am Post subject: |
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The idea that the hamburger bun will put more weight on you than whatever piles of grease you put on it is laughable.
Fats have 9 Calories per gram
Carbohydrates and proteins have 4 calories per gram.
The math is simple. If you eat more calories than your body needs, it will be stored as fat.
You should limit fat calories to no more than 1/3 of your total calorie intake and use mono unsaturated fats (like olive oil) to replace saturated ones whenever possible.
Also, don't eat margarine or other products containing trans fats. Real butter tastes better and there's really no difference in calories. It has 9 calories per gram. Use it sparingly, enjoy it thoroughly. |
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Rothbard
Joined: 23 Aug 2010
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| Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 1:01 am Post subject: |
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| Illysook wrote: |
The idea that the hamburger bun will put more weight on you than whatever piles of grease you put on it is laughable.
Fats have 9 Calories per gram
Carbohydrates and proteins have 4 calories per gram.
The math is simple. If you eat more calories than your body needs, it will be stored as fat.
You should limit fat calories to no more than 1/3 of your total calorie intake and use mono unsaturated fats (like olive oil) to replace saturated ones whenever possible.
Also, don't eat margarine or other products containing trans fats. Real butter tastes better and there's really no difference in calories. It has 9 calories per gram. Use it sparingly, enjoy it thoroughly. |
There is a difference between calories. Calories from carbs spike your blood glucose which leads to a myriad of problems including heart disease, diabetes and obesity.
Fat/calories do not make you fat. Your body isn't an ATM. |
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Rothbard
Joined: 23 Aug 2010
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Illysook
Joined: 30 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 3:55 am Post subject: |
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Processed foods are indeed a poor choice, but the so-called paleolithic diet is not sustainable. It takes a tremendous amount of grain to grow a calf into a steer ready for harvest. If we eat those whole grains ourselves, with some legumes on the side, we stiil get all the protein that we need. It's called protein complementarity.
You can read about protein complementarity in the nutritional classic "Diet for a Small Planet" by Frances Moore Lappe." She was concerned about high fructose corn syrup and overprocessed foods back in the 60's and 70's. The book has been updated over the years, but the basic thesis has remained solid. |
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cdninkorea
Joined: 27 Jan 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 6:18 am Post subject: |
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| Rothbard wrote: |
| There is a difference between calories. Calories from carbs spike your blood glucose which leads to a myriad of problems including heart disease, diabetes and obesity. |
People who say this neglect to mention/don't know that protein spikes insulin levels too.
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| Fat/calories do not make you fat. Your body isn't an ATM... There is extremely scant evidence that cutting fat will cut your weight. In fact the opposite is true. |
While I appreciate the many health benefits of keeping carbs low, the fact is that fat and calories will make you fat if you eat more than your body burns. Calories in > calories out = weight gain. You're either cherry-picking the data or haven't read enought of it. |
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Rothbard
Joined: 23 Aug 2010
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| Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 6:40 am Post subject: |
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| Illysook wrote: |
Processed foods are indeed a poor choice, but the so-called paleolithic diet is not sustainable. It takes a tremendous amount of grain to grow a calf into a steer ready for harvest. If we eat those whole grains ourselves, with some legumes on the side, we stiil get all the protein that we need. It's called protein complementarity.
You can read about protein complementarity in the nutritional classic "Diet for a Small Planet" by Frances Moore Lappe." She was concerned about high fructose corn syrup and overprocessed foods back in the 60's and 70's. The book has been updated over the years, but the basic thesis has remained solid. |
Grain is suitable for neither cows nor humans. Only birds evolved to eat seeds. Cows should eat grass, humans should eat meat and vegetables. Eating grains allowed us to expand ie pass on our genes. It doesn't allow us to live long and healthy lives.
The only reason cows eat grain and corn is because of farm subsidies. Because of cheap corn, it is possible to fatten cows on that feed. Unfortunately, they also need to eat antibiotics to kill the e. coli in their gut. |
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Rothbard
Joined: 23 Aug 2010
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| Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 6:57 am Post subject: |
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| cdninkorea wrote: |
| Rothbard wrote: |
| There is a difference between calories. Calories from carbs spike your blood glucose which leads to a myriad of problems including heart disease, diabetes and obesity. |
People who say this neglect to mention/don't know that protein spikes insulin levels too. |
I don't advocate protein. I advocate fat.
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| Fat/calories do not make you fat. Your body isn't an ATM... There is extremely scant evidence that cutting fat will cut your weight. In fact the opposite is true. |
While I appreciate the many health benefits of keeping carbs low, the fact is that fat and calories will make you fat if you eat more than your body burns. Calories in > calories out = weight gain. You're either cherry-picking the data or haven't read enought of it. |
Your body isn't an ATM. Cash/calories in does not have to equal Cash/calories out. You're either cherry-picking the data or haven't read enought of it. Feel free to present some.
Since govt started recommending you cut fat and increase exercise, some 30 years ago (right when obesity started increasing), fat decreased and exercise increased. Yet people started getting fatter.
I know it is stupid to present personal anecdotes, but I will anyway. I'm 73KG/181cm. Right after I went on a low carb/high fat diet 18 months ago, I instantly gained 4 KGs. All of it on my chest shoulders, and arms.
For breakfast I generally eat 3 eggs, 2 rashers of bacon, some cheese, and coffee with cream. Lunch is soup, kimchi, what ever meat is on offer and a spoonful of rice (to appease the ladies at my school). Dinner is a large portion of steak, or chicken, or pork or duck or some such, with a small side of vegetables. I lead an almost completely sedentary life style (though still feel fit and strong when called on to perform physical tasks.) How many KGs should I have gained in the last year? Why am I the exact same weight, without a single KG in fluctuation, since 6 months
after I started this course of eating?
If you want to be thin and healthy, calorie restriction will not help you.
If you think I am wrong, present some stats. |
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Koveras
Joined: 09 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 1:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Rothbard wrote: |
| For breakfast I generally eat 3 eggs, 2 rashers of bacon, some cheese, and coffee with cream. Lunch is soup, kimchi, what ever meat is on offer and a spoonful of rice (to appease the ladies at my school). Dinner is a large portion of steak, or chicken, or pork or duck or some such, with a small side of vegetables. |
That sounds like a fairly low fat diet to me. Where're the pork cracklings? |
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Rothbard
Joined: 23 Aug 2010
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| Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 2:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Koveras wrote: |
| Rothbard wrote: |
| For breakfast I generally eat 3 eggs, 2 rashers of bacon, some cheese, and coffee with cream. Lunch is soup, kimchi, what ever meat is on offer and a spoonful of rice (to appease the ladies at my school). Dinner is a large portion of steak, or chicken, or pork or duck or some such, with a small side of vegetables. |
That sounds like a fairly low fat diet to me. Where're the pork cracklings? |
haha, I had some chicken skin for a bar snack last night. Does that count? |
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Koveras
Joined: 09 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 3:07 pm Post subject: |
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| I guess so. You should try pemmican. |
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alljokingaside
Joined: 17 Feb 2010
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| Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 5:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Rothbard wrote: |
| cdninkorea wrote: |
| Rothbard wrote: |
| There is a difference between calories. Calories from carbs spike your blood glucose which leads to a myriad of problems including heart disease, diabetes and obesity. |
People who say this neglect to mention/don't know that protein spikes insulin levels too. |
I don't advocate protein. I advocate fat.
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| Fat/calories do not make you fat. Your body isn't an ATM... There is extremely scant evidence that cutting fat will cut your weight. In fact the opposite is true. |
While I appreciate the many health benefits of keeping carbs low, the fact is that fat and calories will make you fat if you eat more than your body burns. Calories in > calories out = weight gain. You're either cherry-picking the data or haven't read enought of it. |
Your body isn't an ATM. Cash/calories in does not have to equal Cash/calories out. You're either cherry-picking the data or haven't read enought of it. Feel free to present some.
Since govt started recommending you cut fat and increase exercise, some 30 years ago (right when obesity started increasing), fat decreased and exercise increased. Yet people started getting fatter.
I know it is stupid to present personal anecdotes, but I will anyway. I'm 73KG/181cm. Right after I went on a low carb/high fat diet 18 months ago, I instantly gained 4 KGs. All of it on my chest shoulders, and arms.
For breakfast I generally eat 3 eggs, 2 rashers of bacon, some cheese, and coffee with cream. Lunch is soup, kimchi, what ever meat is on offer and a spoonful of rice (to appease the ladies at my school). Dinner is a large portion of steak, or chicken, or pork or duck or some such, with a small side of vegetables. I lead an almost completely sedentary life style (though still feel fit and strong when called on to perform physical tasks.) How many KGs should I have gained in the last year? Why am I the exact same weight, without a single KG in fluctuation, since 6 months
after I started this course of eating?
If you want to be thin and healthy, calorie restriction will not help you.
If you think I am wrong, present some stats. |
High basal metabolic rate? Good metabolism? Winning the genetic lotto?
http://www.rd.com/living-healthy/13-things-you-never-knew-about-your-weight/article108186.html
Health does involve exercise, but unlss you're really workin or have super metabolism, a good diet goes a long way. Conversely, a diet without exercise isn't entirely a good idea either.
Strictly speaking, cals in > cal out => weight gain. It kinda is like an ATM in some sense (that or you've done something amazing, getting around that pesky conservation of energy thing, and should have a movie made about u)
Either it gets used (energy, heat etc) both while you're awake and asleep, or it gets converted into fat. (I guess it can also make for some great soap once scooped out) Carbs are (what) 3-4 cal/g, while fats are 9 cal/g? Energy that isn't used is converted to either glycogen or fat. Fats do tend to weigh less than muscle, but eventually...
Saturated fats, at its simplest, are more dense because of its shape. Its fully saturated and can be more densely packed. Unsaturated fats have kinks in them that doesn't allow this. I'm sure there's other consequences of due to the chem struc., but hey, its a Thursday morn. I'm still working on my first cup o joe. (And by now, I'm sure you're getting a bit tired of reading)
About the "since 30 yrs ago," do you remember the serving sizes they got back in the states (which it happens that I REALLY miss)? Or the "coke w/ every meal" policy ....everywhere? (wait, forgive- i mean diet!) Or that smelly dude comfortably taking up 2 seats on the bus cuz everyone else's crammed in the opposite end?
For personal anecdotes, every vegan/vegetarian I know's either glowing or gaunt.
ANYWAY people, let's not forget why we've all come and gathered here-
(Can anyone say...)
Pake = a pie inside a cake
A lemon-vanilla cake with blueberry preserves, strawberry pie, and cream cheese frosting.
The Widowmaker
1.5 lbs of ground beef, 1 package of bacon, 1 package of italian sausage, 1 box of hot pockets, 1/2 package of fried onion strips between 2 Tombstone Pepperoni Pizzas topped with Velveta Cheese and Marinara Sauce.
Deep Fried Surprise
Beer-battered deep fried Bacon Double Quarter Pounder with Cheese, served with double-fried french fries
(surprise! pulmonary embolism!)
Kryspy Kreme Bread Pudding.
('nuff said) |
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nukeday
Joined: 13 May 2010
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| Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 5:24 pm Post subject: |
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| I just think it's weird that basically every food, exercise, or other health (or lack of it) related thread ends up having this same discussion. |
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Man on Street
Joined: 28 Aug 2010
Location: In the Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 7:47 pm Post subject: |
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| I just think it's weird that basically every food, exercise, or other health (or lack of it) related thread ends up having this same discussion. |
It's because everyone has their own idea about how people in general should lose weight when the real answer is that people should do manual labor to survive, the men should hunt for the meat and women and gay men should tend to the garden and gather fruits and veggies. The most reasonabe diet is to live like someone in the bush or remote regions of South America. Don't be lazy, don't eat processed crap, and stay away from most anything found on that website. |
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Rothbard
Joined: 23 Aug 2010
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| Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 8:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Koveras wrote: |
| I guess so. You should try pemmican. |
It sounds sweet. I eat way too much jerky, which unfortunately has hardly any fat. |
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