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aske
Joined: 25 Aug 2010
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Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 11:19 am Post subject: Opinions on Korea |
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I realize this is a vague topic, but I have a few questions regarding Korea. I'm welcoming all viewpoints, but I'd prefer details over disparagements.
- Is Korea heavily Westernized? By that I mean, is distinct Korean culture something that is widely evident, or is it reduced to more of a superficial status compared to Western influences?
- Is Korea an enjoyable place to be, or are many foreign language teachers here because of other reasons (social reasons, financial reasons, fleeing problems in their native country, etc.)?
- Is the teaching industry regarded highly as a professional institution here, or are teachers mainly unqualified puppets who are primarily interested in what they do outside the classroom rather than in it?
- How easy is it to make friends with people? Are foreigners always estranged from native Koreans, or is ethnic interaction common? |
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ginsenglove
Joined: 17 Aug 2010
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Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 1:11 pm Post subject: Re: Opinions on Korea |
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| aske wrote: |
- Is Korea heavily Westernized? By that I mean, is distinct Korean culture something that is widely evident, or is it reduced to more of a superficial status compared to Western influences? |
Korea has opened up alot over the last 20 years, but remains uniquely Korean. There are western influences, but the Korean culture is still widely evident.
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| - Is Korea an enjoyable place to be, or are many foreign language teachers here because of other reasons (social reasons, financial reasons, fleeing problems in their native country, etc.)? |
Some people like Korea and some don't. Most foreign teachers are in Korea because they can't find a job at home or can't find a date at home either. Thus, the perception in Korea is that most foreign teachers are 'undesirables' or , or the 'rejects' of their respective countries.
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| - Is the teaching industry regarded highly as a professional institution here, or are teachers mainly unqualified puppets who are primarily interested in what they do outside the classroom rather than in it? |
The teaching industry is not highly regarded at all. 90% of the foreign teachers in korea are unqualified. As long as you have a pulse, you can teach english in korea. |
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aske
Joined: 25 Aug 2010
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Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 2:03 pm Post subject: Re: Opinions on Korea |
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| ginsenglove wrote: |
| aske wrote: |
- Is Korea heavily Westernized? By that I mean, is distinct Korean culture something that is widely evident, or is it reduced to more of a superficial status compared to Western influences? |
Korea has opened up alot over the last 20 years, but remains uniquely Korean. There are western influences, but the Korean culture is still widely evident.
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| - Is Korea an enjoyable place to be, or are many foreign language teachers here because of other reasons (social reasons, financial reasons, fleeing problems in their native country, etc.)? |
Some people like Korea and some don't. Most foreign teachers are in Korea because they can't find a job at home or can't find a date at home either. Thus, the perception in Korea is that most foreign teachers are 'undesirables' or , or the 'rejects' of their respective countries.
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| - Is the teaching industry regarded highly as a professional institution here, or are teachers mainly unqualified puppets who are primarily interested in what they do outside the classroom rather than in it? |
The teaching industry is not highly regarded at all. 90% of the foreign teachers in korea are unqualified. As long as you have a pulse, you can teach english in korea. |
Thanks for your responses. So if I have no problem getting a date or a job here, I should probably not bother with Korea? Some people say they love teaching there so much, but I don't see the attraction. I thought maybe I was missing something.
I think the most important factor is professionalism. From what I've seen so far of this industry it's the exact opposite; as you said, people are considered to be rejects from their native countries and little more.
Have you met anyone involved in the industry that is a competent, respectable teacher? |
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Kurtz
Joined: 05 Jan 2007 Location: ples bilong me
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Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 2:49 pm Post subject: |
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I think the questions you're asking have a very negative bias, and seem more out to mock people in the ESL industry than heartfelt questions about Korea and ESL teachers.
Your first response is from someone who joined this website very recently, which either suggests he/she is very new, or was banned from Dave's for some reason, or is someone who has another account and likes to use the safety of a second account to write cliched comments.
I think you should stay home, as your tone and attitude suggests one of superiority and narrow mindedness that the fact that a few scrawled lines by someone on an internet forum could sway your opinion, I think that speaks volumes of your general low mentality too. |
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aske
Joined: 25 Aug 2010
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Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 3:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Kurtz wrote: |
I think the questions you're asking have a very negative bias, and seem more out to mock people in the ESL industry than heartfelt questions about Korea and ESL teachers.
Your first response is from someone who joined this website very recently, which either suggests he/she is very new, or was banned from Dave's for some reason, or is someone who has another account and likes to use the safety of a second account to write cliched comments.
I think you should stay home, as your tone and attitude suggests one of superiority and narrow mindedness that the fact that a few scrawled lines by someone on an internet forum could sway your opinion, I think that speaks volumes of your general low mentality too. |
I asked them honestly. I only am exposed to negative comments here, and from what I've observed so far about the industry is that it does seem to attract people who aren't qualified. That is not an uncommon estimation, either.
I am sincerely asking for input. If you disagree with other posters, then by all means please explain. Like I said in the initial post, I prefer details over disparagements. |
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Hugo85
Joined: 27 Aug 2010
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Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 3:51 pm Post subject: Re: Opinions on Korea |
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| aske wrote: |
Thanks for your responses. So if I have no problem getting a date or a job here, I should probably not bother with Korea? Some people say they love teaching there so much, but I don't see the attraction. I thought maybe I was missing something.
I think the most important factor is professionalism. From what I've seen so far of this industry it's the exact opposite; as you said, people are considered to be rejects from their native countries and little more.
Have you met anyone involved in the industry that is a competent, respectable teacher? |
The Korean government sets the requirement to determine who is qualified to teach ESL in Korea and who isn't. Some may simply meet these requirements while some may exceed them by far, but all do meet them.
Do all spanish teachers in the USA have masters in education? No, probably not. I doubt many countries solely have foreign language educators who have the diplomas you seem to consider worthy of consideration.
If you are happy where you are and don't see the appeal, don't move.
PS: Your last sentence is just trolling innit? |
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mr. simmons
Joined: 31 Aug 2010
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Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 3:53 pm Post subject: |
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Korea is very cool.
I dig the place. |
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Kurtz
Joined: 05 Jan 2007 Location: ples bilong me
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Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 4:02 pm Post subject: |
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Firstly, don't take Dave's too seriously. Many people such as myself drift along to kill a little time, keep abreast of visa changes, and perhaps find somewhere nice to eat and drink.
Everyone on an E-2 is "qualified" in the sense that we meet the general criteria of an English teacher, even though many, or I daresay most don't have an actual teaching certificate. Many perhaps have some kind of TESOL certificate though.
ESL teachers get put in the "loser" category by many. I read the same old BS, can't get a job in their own country, can't find a boyfriend/girlfriend and those characters do exist, but one shouldn't paint the entire ESL community in that way, there are some very smart, funny people here that came to Korea for some kind of adventure.
You have to ask yourself how many people are working in their home countries in say a bookshop who have an Eng Lit degree, or working in a health shop that have some kind of herbal medicine degree. The fact is many uni degrees can't be used in the real world. Just because some people prefer to use their degree to teach English doesn't mean they are a loser, or are fleeing or the other reasons you provided.
I will say I think many ESL teachers are very lazy, myself included, and it's damn easy to fall into the trap of the easy life Korea provides. It takes a strong will to get out of the ESL bubble here. I'll stick it out a while longer for the money, but plans for escape have been made.
In terms of living, everyone has their own opinions. I think the quality of life is very low due to high populaton density, but there are factors which make it decent living too. |
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oldfatfarang
Joined: 19 May 2005 Location: On the road to somewhere.
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Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 4:03 pm Post subject: |
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The whole post is a troll.
Fail. |
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