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KwardBound
Joined: 04 Jul 2010
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Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2010 2:53 pm Post subject: Frugal Circle or Group |
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You know how some folks make saving money into a game in order to keep it interesting for themselves and keep themselves motivated in their penny-pinching practives? Do any of you do this? Do any of you have groups that shop at Costco and them divy up the goods in order to save on the expenses? |
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NM14456
Joined: 21 Aug 2010
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Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2010 3:22 pm Post subject: Re: Frugal Circle or Group |
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KwardBound wrote: |
You know how some folks make saving money into a game in order to keep it interesting for themselves and keep themselves motivated in their penny-pinching practives? Do any of you do this? Do any of you have groups that shop at Costco and them divy up the goods in order to save on the expenses? |
I can't remember now exactly but in the past I went to what was called a voluntary simplicity group in the States. I'm pretty frugal but my impression of many working here is that it's spent quickly after it's made. Maybe I'm wrong though.
What's your interest in being frugal here if you don't mind my asking? |
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air76
Joined: 13 Nov 2007
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Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2010 3:28 pm Post subject: |
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We make saving money a game...but we don't go as far as putting together a food co-op group.
The real key to saving money here (or anywhere) is to write up a budget for the month, take out ALL the money you need for the entire month, divide the money into 5 envelopes....1 envelope for groceries, and then 1 envelope for each week's spending money (then of course you have to pay your bills as well)...take out 1/4 of your grocery money every Friday and spend it all, get as much food as you can for that money, and then don't buy any more groceries until the next Friday, no matter what (unless you want to use your spending money)....and then same goes for the spending money, open 1 envelope per week on Friday, if you run out of money on Tuesday, tough shit, don't spend any money at all until Friday. Then, on Friday, when you open your new envelope, put the money left over from the previous week into another envelope marked "Special"...use this money to do something special when you've got 50,000 or 100,000 in there, don't put it in your savings, you need to reward yourself for having not spent all your spending money.
The key is that you CAN'T use your card to buy anything and you CAN'T take out any extra money....when you do it on a weekly basis like this it's much easier to go 2-3 days without spending any money, but when you do it monthly it's much more difficult to hit your budget max with a week to go and then try and spend zero for 7 days straight.
Laugh if you want, but my girlfriend and I will have saved about 140,000,000 won using this system in 3 years by the time we finish this contract. We have been doing the envelope thing for just over a year now and we spend between 450-550,000 each per month, and we've got a car. |
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air76
Joined: 13 Nov 2007
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Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2010 3:36 pm Post subject: Re: Frugal Circle or Group |
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NM14456 wrote: |
What's your interest in being frugal here if you don't mind my asking? |
I will go out on a limb and guess that he/she is trying to save money. |
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NM14456
Joined: 21 Aug 2010
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Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2010 3:55 pm Post subject: Re: Frugal Circle or Group |
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air76 wrote: |
NM14456 wrote: |
What's your interest in being frugal here if you don't mind my asking? |
I will go out on a limb and guess that he/she is trying to save money. |
Wow, no kidding!!!
A lot of people who interested in voluntary simplicity have a variety of reasons for doing so ie. environmental, spiritual, community oriented, anti-consumption and so on. |
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Peter258
Joined: 18 Dec 2009
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Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2010 5:59 pm Post subject: |
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My strategy involves just getting the cheaper option(for food, clothes, transportation) every time. If you do this, you will save as much as you could ask of yourself.
Using this method, I find no need to keep track of my daily expenses, since I know that I'm always going for the more economic option(groceries vs eating out, subway or bus vs taxi, never buying expensive clothes, etc.)
Exceptions involve: any social gatherings...and that's it.
This might sound extreme to some...but it works for me. Throughout the whole process, just knowing that I'm doing the right things to save(ie - being a cheap ass) make it easier and it gives me an energy to keep doing it |
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wylies99

Joined: 13 May 2006 Location: I'm one cool cat!
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Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2010 6:01 pm Post subject: |
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A group that shops at Costco sounds like a good idea. You can split up some of the bigger items. |
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NM14456
Joined: 21 Aug 2010
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Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2010 6:16 pm Post subject: |
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Peter258 wrote: |
My strategy involves just getting the cheaper option(for food, clothes, transportation) every time. If you do this, you will save as much as you could ask of yourself.
Using this method, I find no need to keep track of my daily expenses, since I know that I'm always going for the more economic option(groceries vs eating out, subway or bus vs taxi, never buying expensive clothes, etc.)
Exceptions involve: any social gatherings...and that's it.
This might sound extreme to some...but it works for me. Throughout the whole process, just knowing that I'm doing the right things to save(ie - being a cheap ass) make it easier and it gives me an energy to keep doing it |
Sounds like a good simple approach. Social outings in Korea can get expensive quick.
A lot of times simply delaying the purchase works well for avoiding what's not "essential" A surprising amount of stuff that seems indispensable at one time is forgotten about a week later.
A friend of mine joked once about the voluntary simplicity movement that he'd keep his life simple by not buying any books about voluntary simplicity!
The amount of money that gets spent here is amazing at times. There's one teacher I know who's been in debt already after just arriving 7 months ago. A lot of people "lose" their money on drinking as well..... |
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wylies99

Joined: 13 May 2006 Location: I'm one cool cat!
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Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2010 6:21 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, everyone sets a goal of saving money but it's harder to do than it appears, especially for newbies. Try to save money, even if it's a small amount. Anything is better than nothing. You'll be glad later. |
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sojusucks

Joined: 31 May 2008
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Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2010 6:28 pm Post subject: |
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I was able to save a lot. What sucked is the exchange rate. But I could do a lot in SK.
Rent is paid for, which leaves me with food expenses. Even if I eat out, eating at cheaper restaurants does not cost much. Don't look for the expensive place that caters to foreigners. Learn how to order in Korean and go where the Koreans go. I can get a huge mean for 5,000 Won, maybe even as much as 7,000 Won. I have even found a few of these places in alleys in Seoul, but it takes a bit to find them.
Learning enough Korean to buy from farmers also saves a lot of money.
I could save between 25%-50% of my salary, but I know how to spend money wisely. I would even go to CostCo and buy Western food in bulk and only buy sparingly from black market stores. Those that go through money quickly are those that like to go to bars. That will eat money up quicker than anything.
Enjoy and do put some money aside. It will allow you to take trips during the summer, and maybe even learn to scuba dive in SK. Having some spare money will definitely help you enjoy your time here more than being broke. |
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Kurtz
Joined: 05 Jan 2007 Location: ples bilong me
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Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2010 6:56 pm Post subject: |
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air76 wrote: |
We make saving money a game...but we don't go as far as putting together a food co-op group.
The real key to saving money here (or anywhere) is to write up a budget for the month, take out ALL the money you need for the entire month, divide the money into 5 envelopes....1 envelope for groceries, and then 1 envelope for each week's spending money (then of course you have to pay your bills as well)...take out 1/4 of your grocery money every Friday and spend it all, get as much food as you can for that money, and then don't buy any more groceries until the next Friday, no matter what (unless you want to use your spending money)....and then same goes for the spending money, open 1 envelope per week on Friday, if you run out of money on Tuesday, tough shit, don't spend any money at all until Friday. Then, on Friday, when you open your new envelope, put the money left over from the previous week into another envelope marked "Special"...use this money to do something special when you've got 50,000 or 100,000 in there, don't put it in your savings, you need to reward yourself for having not spent all your spending money.
The key is that you CAN'T use your card to buy anything and you CAN'T take out any extra money....when you do it on a weekly basis like this it's much easier to go 2-3 days without spending any money, but when you do it monthly it's much more difficult to hit your budget max with a week to go and then try and spend zero for 7 days straight.
Laugh if you want, but my girlfriend and I will have saved about 140,000,000 won using this system in 3 years by the time we finish this contract. We have been doing the envelope thing for just over a year now and we spend between 450-550,000 each per month, and we've got a car. |
If you start quoting figures, it's best to say what salary you are on. |
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air76
Joined: 13 Nov 2007
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Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2010 7:35 pm Post subject: |
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Kurtz wrote: |
If you start quoting figures, it's best to say what salary you are on. |
Our salary varies...take home pay has been between 1.9 million to 2.8 million...probably averaged out at around 2.4 million. Plus a couple of extra camps taught during the break between semesters.
You can save 25 million in a year on 2.4 take home when you count in your bonus....certainly 20 million no problem. If that's your goal, that is. |
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Troglodyte

Joined: 06 Dec 2009
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Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2010 10:03 am Post subject: |
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sojusucks wrote: |
Even if I eat out, eating at cheaper restaurants does not cost much. Don't look for the expensive place that caters to foreigners. Learn how to order in Korean and go where the Koreans go. I can get a huge mean for 5,000 Won, maybe even as much as 7,000 Won. I have even found a few of these places in alleys in Seoul, but it takes a bit to find them.
Learning enough Korean to buy from farmers also saves a lot of money.
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I eat out several times a week for lunch. Mainly because i'm lazy or because I'm already out of the house and don't want to pack a few sandwiches to take with me. And really it's probably no more expensive to eat at a little diner style noodle restaurant than to buy stuff at the grocery store and make it myself. I often have a soup (which itself has meat and veggies in it) and some dumplings. Meals always come with some side dishes - if nothing else, at least a bowl of kimchi - and tea (hot or cold). I never pay more than 7000 Won for lunch. If I just have soup (and the free side dishes) then sometimes I pay 4000 Won. And those are little bowls of soup either. Those noodle restaurants serve a nice big bowl of soup. You wont be hungry again until the evening. The key though is no eating at downtown on a main street. You have to find place that are outside the shopping area. You can find a lot of good places near subway stations and in the area of your city where there are lots of skilled laborers (e.g. garages, carpentry shops, welders, etc.). The main clientele there are average workers who are popping out for their lunch break. If you eat downtown in the shopping/entertainment district, those places are catering to young affluent people out to have a good time.
Like sojusucks said, buying from farmers will save you a bit as well. But you don't need to speak much Korean. You can find them on the sidewalks selling their produce. The prices are usually clearly marked. Often they have a bunch of apples/tomatoes/carrots already measured out in a bowl with a price written on a piece of cardboard next to it. You can just point and hand them the money. Or learn the numbers 1-10 and tell them how many apples or how many kilos you want. I think that most cities also have a sort of farmer's market. You can often get good stuff there and it's cheaper than a lot of stores. |
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guava
Joined: 02 Sep 2009
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Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2010 5:51 pm Post subject: |
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Your toilet paper will last twice as long if you use both sides |
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tophatcat
Joined: 09 Aug 2006 Location: under the hat
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Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2010 6:08 pm Post subject: |
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air76 wrote: |
Kurtz wrote: |
If you start quoting figures, it's best to say what salary you are on. |
Our salary varies...take home pay has been between 1.9 million to 2.8 million...probably averaged out at around 2.4 million. Plus a couple of extra camps taught during the break between semesters.
You can save 25 million in a year on 2.4 take home when you count in your bonus....certainly 20 million no problem. If that's your goal, that is. |
Several years ago, I saved 21 million in a year on 2.4, this included severance. |
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