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Global Warming: Do you matter?
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Are your actions relevant to environmental degradation/global warming?
Yes
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tomato



Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.

PostPosted: Sat Sep 04, 2010 8:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Science is losing its credibility because it has adopted an authoritarian tone, and has let itself be co-opted by politics.
http://www.american.com/archive/2010/july/science-turns-authoritarian


What does this have to Evolution?
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blackjack



Joined: 04 Jan 2006
Location: anyang

PostPosted: Sat Sep 04, 2010 9:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nautilus wrote:

Maybe Tomato will be able to fill us in on the evolutionist line here. Do they believe the north pole was once a tropical jungle paradise?
That would be the creationist line. The earth had a warm and even environment prior to the flood, after which the atmosphere radically changed and the poles iced over.

Or are they trying to say that the island was far more southward previously?
Look at all that coal, all those fossils. Both requiring catastrophic flood conditions to form.



No body is claming it was a tropical paradise

http://scienceblog.com/37783/new-study-shows-how-giant-tortoises-alligators-thrived-in-high-arctic-50-million-years-ago/


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The team concluded the average temperatures of the warmest month on Ellesmere Island during the early Eocene were from 66 to 68 degrees Fahrenheit (19-20 degrees C), while the coldest month temperature was about 32 to 38 degrees F (0-3.5 degrees C). �Our data gathered from multiple organisms indicate it probably did not get below freezing on Ellesmere Island during the early Eocene, which has some interesting implications,� she said.


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Eberle said the new study implies Eocene alligators could withstand slightly cooler winters than their present-day counterparts, although data from captive alligators show they are heartier than other members of the crocodilian family and
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can survive short intervals of subfreezing temperatures by submerging
themselves in the water.


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But during the late Pleistocene period some 10,000 to 50,000 years ago � when air temperatures were comparable to those today � large land tortoises were found as far north as present-day Pennsylvania and Illinois, Eberle said. This suggests their present range in the Americas does not represent their fullest geographic range as allowed by climate. Factors like hunting by early Native Americans and the past extent of glaciers probably are playing a role in today�s distribution of giant tortoises, she said.


Reptiles surviving in sub zero temperatures isn't unheard of today. Geckos and skinks in NZ, Snakes in almost everywhere (well apart from NZ)
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