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mises
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 Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2010 7:55 am Post subject: Married moms don't want to work full-time |
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| In reviewing data from the 2000 National Survey of Marriage and Family Life, Wilcox found that only 18 percent of married women with children said they would prefer to work full-time, in contrast to 46 percent who would prefer to work part-time and 36 percent who said that they would prefer to stay at home. In addition, among married moms who were working full-time, nearly 75 percent said they would rather work fewer hours or not at all. |
http://blog.heritage.org/2010/09/03/mothers-intuition-trumps-feminist-ideology/#more-42364
http://inductivist.blogspot.com/2010/09/married-moms-dont-want-to-work-full.html
Women don't want to be men. Go figure. The "end of men" and rush of women into the workforce is a result of inflation and deteriorating economic conditions (and a decline in two parent households) and not the ambitions of women to be account executives at Citibank or nurses. |
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caniff
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| Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2010 8:12 am Post subject: |
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I sometimes joke that I'd like to have my wife work to pay the bills while I stay home and take care of the domestic chores, but in reality I suspect that it would damage my ego pretty badly over time.
As we know women are not all the same. My father who had an excellent job wanted my mom to be a housewife. She was having none of it, however, and finished uni then law school.
No way was she being relegated to the kitchen. |
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mises
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| Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2010 8:33 am Post subject: |
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| Yeah the survey results do show strong differences in opinion but the trend and consensus is clear. |
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caniff
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| Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2010 8:40 am Post subject: |
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But for years American families kept spending as if their incomes were keeping pace with overall economic growth. And their spending fueled continued growth. How did families manage this trick? First, women streamed into the paid work force. By the late 1990s, more than 60 percent of mothers with young children worked outside the home (in 1966, only 24 percent did).
Second, everyone put in more hours. What families didn�t receive in wage increases they made up for in work increases. By the mid-2000s, the typical male worker was putting in roughly 100 hours more each year than two decades before, and the typical female worker about 200 hours more.
When American families couldn�t squeeze any more income out of these two coping mechanisms, they embarked on a third: going ever deeper into debt. This seemed painless � as long as home prices were soaring. From 2002 to 2007, American households extracted $2.3 trillion from their homes. |
From the link Happy Warrior supplied in The Depression Thread.
Looks like drastic changes will have to take place for many women to have any choice in the matter. |
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mises
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| Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2010 8:44 am Post subject: |
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Looks like drastic changes will have to take place for many women to have any choice in the matter. |
Right. They don't have any choice. Unmarried moms certainly don't have any choice. I do not see the advancement of women in the workforce as a sign of egalitarianism at work but rather the consequence of mass economic distress and social dysfunction. Not always, but mostly. |
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Louis VI
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| Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2010 10:48 am Post subject: |
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First of all, the survey was about what they WANTED, not needed. That puts questions of the economy and financial impetus aside.
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| 18 percent of married women with children said they would prefer to work full-time, in contrast to 46 percent who would prefer to work part-time and 36 percent who said that they would prefer to stay at home |
So, that means 18+46=64% of married women with kids WANT a job outside of the home. That sounds about right. About one-third of married mothers are more traditional minded. No news there. The majority still want the independence, interaction, challenge and other benefits of working. And the number of women not married or without children who want to work is higher. |
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RufusW
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| Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2010 3:59 pm Post subject: |
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| caniff wrote: |
| No way was she being relegated to the kitchen. |
It's not necessarily bad. |
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Fox
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| Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2010 4:02 pm Post subject: |
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| The majority still want the independence, interaction, challenge and other benefits of working. |
Yes, I'm certain the mom who spends 15 hours a week stocking shelves at the local grocer is doing it for the challenge and independence. |
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Captain Corea
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| Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2010 4:24 pm Post subject: |
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Where is the survey for dads?
I'm a married dad and I don't want to work full time. |
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Leon
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| Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2010 5:01 pm Post subject: |
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| who wants to work full time? It's like saying I'm a woman, so I should get to sit around and do what I want while you support me. |
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Fox
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| Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2010 5:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Leon wrote: |
| who wants to work full time? |
I think a lot of people do, especially if they enjoy their job. |
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Louis VI
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2010 5:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
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| who wants to work full time? |
I think a lot of people do, especially if they enjoy their job. |
And yet you question whether women would like to work part time in a supermarket versus stay at home?
If I were to get married and have children, this man would like to work part time not full time. I expect most men these days would want to spend more time at home and with the kids if given a choice.
There really isn't any huge difference between men and women nowadays in terms of desire to work. At least where I came from. And among my Korean middle school girl classes. |
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Leon
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| Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2010 5:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
| Leon wrote: |
| who wants to work full time? |
I think a lot of people do, especially if they enjoy their job. |
It's understandable if you enjoy your job, even more so if you work for yourself. I wonder how many people truly enjoy their job, if the aspect of money is taken out, more than free time where they can do what ever they want. |
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Fox
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| Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2010 6:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Louis VI wrote: |
| Fox wrote: |
| Leon wrote: |
| who wants to work full time? |
I think a lot of people do, especially if they enjoy their job. |
And yet you question whether women would like to work part time in a supermarket versus stay at home? |
I somehow doubt there's a lot of overlap between "supermarket employees" and "people who genuinely enjoy their job," Louis VI. Maybe I'm incorrect in my assessment of the level of enthusiasm part time shelf stockers have for their duties, but I doubt it.
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| There really isn't any huge difference between men and women nowadays in terms of desire to work. At least where I came from. |
This kind of a priori assertion is precisely why I actually see some social value in exploring the issue. People (Westerners, anyway) want to believe what you just said. I'm not so convinced it's true, though. People who dismiss differences between the genders in a casual and data-free fashion are in my estimation more likely to be pursuing an agenda than the truth, even if they don't realize it.
I've no doubt there's a sizeable portion of the maternal population that really does want to pursue a career, and I support social policy ensuring they can pursue said career if they wish. That doesn't need to we need to pretend that the majority of mothers are interested in full-fledged careers of their own, though, especially if data suggests otherwise.
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| And among my Korean middle school girl classes. |
We're not talking about females generically here, we're talking about mothers. Given precisely zero of those middle school girls are mothers, I've no idea why you think they're a useful piece of data for determining how mothers feel about anything. |
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Fox
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| Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2010 6:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Leon wrote: |
| It's understandable if you enjoy your job, even more so if you work for yourself. I wonder how many people truly enjoy their job, if the aspect of money is taken out, more than free time where they can do what ever they want. |
I doubt most people enjoy their current job enough to stick with it without money. I bet most people could find a job which they'd happily do for free, though. Perhaps the huge amount of on-demand entertainment available makes this less true than it once might have been. |
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