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AsiaESLbound
Joined: 07 Jan 2010
Location: Truck Stop Missouri
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| I want an America full of opportunities for everyone willing to work. I want an America where everyone willing to work are adequately taken care of. That is a living wage and full benefits like insurances, profit sharing, and paid vacation. I want an America that is prosperous for most; not just the top 1% taking all from the people's waning economy. I want an America with competent leaders in government and business who manage for long term stable growth. I want an America where people are groomed and developed for lifelong careers rather than being used for what are mostly low paying jobs managed by incompetent business executives only focusing on short term gains by exploiting desperate tapped out people. I want an America with a physically growing economy offering more real career opportunities to all. I want an America where small business is promoted and people once again feel a positive, "can do," vibe again. I want an America where Americans produce and make physical things; not just numbers in computers with a grandiose hope of winning the lottery. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 6:25 am Post subject: |
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| AsiaESLbound, then you'd better vote Democratic in November. |
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The Happy Warrior
Joined: 10 Feb 2010
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| Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 6:29 am Post subject: |
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| AsiaESLbound, then you'd better vote Democratic in November. |
He said he wants competent leaders in gov't (and biz) who will manage for long-term stable growth. There isn't a party that does that in America. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 6:34 am Post subject: |
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I want an America that goes back to States' Rights and even Country Rights. Take every social issue and have it decided at the County level.
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You're a throw-back to the 'county-ists' of the Middle Ages. Why not go back to the real individualists at the family level and live in caves? Heck, if we were true individualists, we'd go back to the single cell level.
Who needs families? Who needs a human body?
Liberation for Cells Now!!! That's the true libertarian position. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 2:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
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I want an America that goes back to States' Rights and even Country Rights. Take every social issue and have it decided at the County level.
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You're a throw-back to the 'county-ists' of the Middle Ages. Why not go back to the real individualists at the family level and live in caves? Heck, if we were true individualists, we'd go back to the single cell level.
Who needs families? Who needs a human body?
Liberation for Cells Now!!! That's the true libertarian position. |
Yeah take the logic of what I've said and turn it extreme instead of arguing it on its merits.
Lets go with the reverse of yours, why bother with national governments or any form of local control, lets just pick a single committee or even one person to rule our planet. Same laws everywhere.
People who do not believe in small local government cannot handle people believing differently than them. |
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Seoulio
Joined: 02 Jan 2010
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| Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 4:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Yes ,its me thats acting in a distateful manner ( as nother poster said last page) when I use verifiable facts and figures, and others what to use smear tactics and propaganda. |
Whoa, this happened?! I guess I must have been asleep the entire thread. |
um yes, just because I am not drumming up links for you , there are thousands of books you can look at to verify the facts I have stated. I never said I verified them, however I know they are accurate. |
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Seoulio
Joined: 02 Jan 2010
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| Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 4:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
| AsiaESLbound, then you'd better vote Democratic in November. |
why? Are you suggesting theres a major difference this day and age? |
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Leon
Joined: 31 May 2010
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| Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 5:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
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I want an America that goes back to States' Rights and even Country Rights. Take every social issue and have it decided at the County level.
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You're a throw-back to the 'county-ists' of the Middle Ages. Why not go back to the real individualists at the family level and live in caves? Heck, if we were true individualists, we'd go back to the single cell level.
Who needs families? Who needs a human body?
Liberation for Cells Now!!! That's the true libertarian position. |
Yeah take the logic of what I've said and turn it extreme instead of arguing it on its merits.
Lets go with the reverse of yours, why bother with national governments or any form of local control, lets just pick a single committee or even one person to rule our planet. Same laws everywhere.
People who do not believe in small local government cannot handle people believing differently than them. |
Small local governments in many places, such as the south, would make those places less free. Why is that a good thing? Why should one state be able to decide to have a shorter school year, like Hawaii did? |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 5:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Leon wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
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I want an America that goes back to States' Rights and even Country Rights. Take every social issue and have it decided at the County level.
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You're a throw-back to the 'county-ists' of the Middle Ages. Why not go back to the real individualists at the family level and live in caves? Heck, if we were true individualists, we'd go back to the single cell level.
Who needs families? Who needs a human body?
Liberation for Cells Now!!! That's the true libertarian position. |
Yeah take the logic of what I've said and turn it extreme instead of arguing it on its merits.
Lets go with the reverse of yours, why bother with national governments or any form of local control, lets just pick a single committee or even one person to rule our planet. Same laws everywhere.
People who do not believe in small local government cannot handle people believing differently than them. |
Small local governments in many places, such as the south, would make those places less free. Why is that a good thing? Why should one state be able to decide to have a shorter school year, like Hawaii did? |
So I take it you support the Crown rather than the Colonies then.
Freedom is not found in every place conforming to "your" values, which is really what you mean when you say the South would be less free.
Freedom is giving people the opportunity to construct a society and have laws that reflect their beliefs.
I am curious as to how you believe that a strong central government would encourage more freedom and more importantly put "your" values in place.
Really you don't support freedom, you want everyone to follow your beliefs.
I support the freedom of people to choose a system that reflects what they believe in, even though I may disagree with it.
I support Prayerville County existing right next to Abortemall County. Why? Because that reflects the will of the people living there. |
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Leon
Joined: 31 May 2010
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| Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 6:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| Leon wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
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I want an America that goes back to States' Rights and even Country Rights. Take every social issue and have it decided at the County level.
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You're a throw-back to the 'county-ists' of the Middle Ages. Why not go back to the real individualists at the family level and live in caves? Heck, if we were true individualists, we'd go back to the single cell level.
Who needs families? Who needs a human body?
Liberation for Cells Now!!! That's the true libertarian position. |
Yeah take the logic of what I've said and turn it extreme instead of arguing it on its merits.
Lets go with the reverse of yours, why bother with national governments or any form of local control, lets just pick a single committee or even one person to rule our planet. Same laws everywhere.
People who do not believe in small local government cannot handle people believing differently than them. |
Small local governments in many places, such as the south, would make those places less free. Why is that a good thing? Why should one state be able to decide to have a shorter school year, like Hawaii did? |
So I take it you support the Crown rather than the Colonies then. |
I take it your not good at making apt analogies then.
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Freedom is not found in every place conforming to "your" values, which is really what you mean when you say the South would be less free.
Freedom is giving people the opportunity to construct a society and have laws that reflect their beliefs. |
No, thats not freedom. Freedom is something that protects minorities, not necessarily racial, as well as the majority in that area. Plus having widely different laws puts a strain on the union lest we forget why we fought all those years ago.
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I am curious as to how you believe that a strong central government would encourage more freedom and more importantly put "your" values in place.
Really you don't support freedom, you want everyone to follow your beliefs.
I support the freedom of people to choose a system that reflects what they believe in, even though I may disagree with it. |
"My" values? I wonder what you suppose those are? What if you disagree with what your community agrees with, should you have to move away? On a national level there is less room for discrimination, just look at all the debates over mosques. Local groups are less likely to see the big picture and protect things like freedom of religion and expression.
The national government allows room for countries to become more free, as in the case of medical marijuana and gay marriage, but not less free.
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| I support Prayerville County existing right next to Abortemall County. Why? Because that reflects the will of the people living there. |
Does it reflect the will of every person there? Because in America a person has the right to be an atheist and express that belief whether they live in Prayerville or Abortemall county. |
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The Happy Warrior
Joined: 10 Feb 2010
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| Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 6:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Leon wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
Freedom is not found in every place conforming to "your" values, which is really what you mean when you say the South would be less free.
Freedom is giving people the opportunity to construct a society and have laws that reflect their beliefs. |
No, thats not freedom. Freedom is something that protects minorities, not necessarily racial, as well as the majority in that area. Plus having widely different laws puts a strain on the union lest we forget why we fought all those years ago. |
You can have Federal minimums (incorporated Bill of Rights) protecting minorities and also administrative decentralization. Tennessee's particular murder statute can exist side by side with the Sixth Amendment Confrontation Clause. You don't endanger someone's civil rights by having zoning ordinances determined at the local level. |
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Leon
Joined: 31 May 2010
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| Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 6:28 pm Post subject: |
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| The Happy Warrior wrote: |
| Leon wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
Freedom is not found in every place conforming to "your" values, which is really what you mean when you say the South would be less free.
Freedom is giving people the opportunity to construct a society and have laws that reflect their beliefs. |
No, thats not freedom. Freedom is something that protects minorities, not necessarily racial, as well as the majority in that area. Plus having widely different laws puts a strain on the union lest we forget why we fought all those years ago. |
You can have Federal minimums (incorporated Bill of Rights) protecting minorities and also administrative decentralization. Tennessee's particular murder statute can exist side by side with the Sixth Amendment Confrontation Clause. You don't endanger someone's civil rights by having zoning ordinances determined at the local level. |
Of course not, zoning is mostly a local issue. I'm not arguing for complete federal control, but many people are arguing for states dominance over the federal government. I don't think in terms of absolute national control, but I guess when many people are so used to thinking in absolutes thats what they see in everyone. |
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Privateer
Joined: 31 Aug 2005
Location: Easy Street.
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| Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 4:21 am Post subject: |
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| To those saying "stop policing the world", isnt there a moral imperative for -someone- to do something when atrocities are occurring? |
Stop committing atrocities. |
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rollo
Joined: 10 May 2006
Location: China
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| Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 9:08 am Post subject: |
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I would like to see an america where a media hungry for sensation would not set the national agenda.
I was joking about Canada being responsible for Iraqi deaths. I really just wanted to type oily oligarchs of ottawa. Everyone knows that Canada isnt responsible for anything.
Seoulio has the facts , he got them from books, or t.v. or well it gets murky! Some g.i. pushed somone around in a bar and they need to vent.
Seoulio has the facts from books, or t.v. or something, it gets murky. |
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Seoulio
Joined: 02 Jan 2010
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| Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 2:37 pm Post subject: |
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I would like to see an america where a media hungry for sensation would not set the national agenda.
I was joking about Canada being responsible for Iraqi deaths. I really just wanted to type oily oligarchs of ottawa. Everyone knows that Canada isnt responsible for anything.
Seoulio has the facts , he got them from books, or t.v. or well it gets murky! Some g.i. pushed somone around in a bar and they need to vent.
Seoulio has the facts from books, or t.v. or something, it gets murky. |
Facts from Television, lol, Good one |
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