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Kurtz
Joined: 05 Jan 2007
Location: ples bilong me
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| tiger fancini wrote: |
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| I don't expect them to be Americans, but I do expect them to embrace and warmly welcome the Westerners they invited to their country rather than being uncomfortably indifferent about the situation. I do understand the situation that the government says to learn English which involves bringing foreign English teachers in, but many people don't agree with this initiative even though they are financially supporting English education. |
They paid for you to come here, and will probably pay for you to leave. They pay for your accommodation here, and they also pay you a relatively decent salary. I'm sure you've been treated to various free dinners and drinking sessions by them too. (I'm guessing you're on an E2).
Perhaps you expected them to meet you at the airport with a marching band, and feel they should scatter rose petals on your path whenever you go anywhere? |
They bring us here so they can make money off of us in the hagwon system, it's that simple. They pay our airfare, and they pay for us to leave as they won't find anyone stupid enough to work for them without them giving little incentives to work in their county (unless you're an Indian or Filipino). In the PS system, most of them wouldn't have a clue they are paying taxes to pay us so I don't buy it for a second they are giving us one year visas and said incentives out of the goodness of their hearts. |
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Globutron
Joined: 13 Feb 2010
Location: England/Anyang
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| Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 4:06 am Post subject: |
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| Who are we talking about here? |
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Kurtz
Joined: 05 Jan 2007
Location: ples bilong me
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Globutron
Joined: 13 Feb 2010
Location: England/Anyang
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tiger fancini
Joined: 21 Mar 2006
Location: Testicles for Eyes
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| Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 5:23 am Post subject: |
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| Globutron wrote: |
| Who are we talking about here? |
I was referring to the "they" who AsiaESLbound expects to embrace and warmly welcome him/her.
| Kurtz wrote: |
| They bring us here so they can make money off of us in the hagwon system, it's that simple. |
I completely agree. And we, or at least I, came here to make money from them (them again!) It's that simple, well it is for me anyway.
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| I don't buy it for a second they are giving us one year visas and said incentives out of the goodness of their hearts. |
Good, because they're not. We have something that they want. They are attempting to purchase it from us. We agree to sell it them. Pretty simple really. |
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Globutron
Joined: 13 Feb 2010
Location: England/Anyang
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| Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 5:32 am Post subject: |
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| Don't worry I know, I was being daft. |
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SLK
Joined: 08 Aug 2010
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| Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 10:52 am Post subject: |
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| Do you include talking to the people (locals) in your travel plans? |
When I was young and traveling in a fried-out combie on a hippie trail, head full of zombie. I met a strange lady, and even thoughshe made me nervous - she took me in and gave me breakfast. |
Fried-out combie on a hippie trail, head full of zombie.....what? Please explain. |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McsWKczU6wc |
BAAAHHAAAAHHAAAAAA!!!!! 
incredible...you just became my favourite poster....
SLK.X |
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youtuber
Joined: 13 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 11:48 am Post subject: |
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| It's funny how people who don't have engineering degrees think the degree is a guarantee to a good job and career. Maybe in the 90's, but those heydays are long gone. I'd say it died in October 2001, at least for the guys in EE. Don't get me wrong, the percentage is higher compared to other 'softer' degrees, but no longer is it guaranteed. |
Yup quite true. My relative was an experienced engineer in Calgary and got laid off. Took him six months to find another job. That doesn't scream "shortage" to me.
No degree is a "guarantee" anymore. There are way too many grads in all subjects for the amount of jobs available. The main exception is doctors - and the main reason for that is government controls in Canada.
Teaching is woefully oversupplied.
The bottom line is to study what you enjoy because you will love it and likely be good at it and thus be competitive and employable. If you are an opportunity chaser, you will probably end up very frustrated and broke due to the insane cost of uni.
Everything is competitive. Just find out what you want to compete in. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 3:32 pm Post subject: |
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| [q. I don't expect them to be Americans, but I do expect them to embrace and warmly welcome the Westerners they invited to their country rather than being uncomfortably indifferent about the situation.. |
The people that invited you to the country were either the government or your hakwon director. The general populace did not, therefore they have a right to be as uncomfortably indifferent as they want. |
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oldfatfarang
Joined: 19 May 2005
Location: On the road to somewhere.
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| Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 3:47 pm Post subject: |
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I met a man in Thailand who made me promise to travel the world while I'm young, starting with Tibet.
He explained that he spent his life travelling and now he's done with it. He's 40 and basically sick of all the 'new' cultures and differences. All the new experiences are not new to him anymore and he's just happy to stay in one place now.
I could never imagine me feeling that way but who knows. Relevant to topic? dunno. |
That guy could have been me. I spent 10 years backpacking, hitching and adventuring through some of the most dangerous places on the planet..... and now I just live in Thailand. Beautiful, wonderful, magical, Thailand.
In fact, I meet meet many older travellers in Thailand, they're just like me, wondering why I just didn't go to Thailand first - and then just stay there. But then, sometimes you have to experience the worst - to be able to enjoy the best.
Roll on Feb 2011. I'm retiring in Thailand.
PS: I once met a really seasoned traveller who told me to experience Africa last. His reasoning was that travelling in Africa was such an intense experience (hot, friendly, unfriendly, dangerous, people, animals, insects, war etc) that you would never appreciate any other country after Africa. He was right. We hitched through some really tough places in South America, but it felt rather 'tame' compared to Africa. |
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AsiaESLbound
Joined: 07 Jan 2010
Location: Truck Stop Missouri
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| Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 3:50 pm Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
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| [q. I don't expect them to be Americans, but I do expect them to embrace and warmly welcome the Westerners they invited to their country rather than being uncomfortably indifferent about the situation.. |
The people that invited you to the country were either the government or your hakwon director. The general populace did not, therefore they have a right to be as uncomfortably indifferent as they want. |
That is absolutely correct. It's no different anywhere else even though I felt more welcome in many other places where I met friendly people in any random public place, because they approached me to say, "Hi, nice to meet you. Where are you from. etc." In the US, companies invite Chinese and Indians over to do entry level professional jobs like accountant, junior cost analyst, and contracts specialist while many Americans don't want them there taking these jobs American grads need to fill. Fact is, they were invited by companies looking to save a buck hiring someone they think is going to work harder than Americans, but the general populace don't embrace them. There is a lot of xenophobia back home towards Asian people and they only usually talk to us to do business via their gas stations and motels. I can talk to them just fine to their surprise, because I'm used to having all kinds of people in my life from going to uni with more foreigners than Americans and having many foreign professors. I'm just accustomed to being more talkative and being actively involved in a community than what is possible where I live and work right now.
There's no need to be political about Korea, Balzor. I feel neither pro Korea nor anti-Korea, just neutral in that I believe they are doing many right things in creating and protecting their livelihood. Korea is going to be just fine doing what it's doing and doesn't care what foreigners think. You could rationally feel political about a country and people in need such as Myanmar.
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oldfatfarang
Joined: 19 May 2005
Location: On the road to somewhere.
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| Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 3:55 pm Post subject: |
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In which countries do people come up and talk to foreign strangers? Ok I guess it happens in countries with a heavy Western tourist industry, but we all know Korea doesn't have that.
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I believe that NZ and Australia are the countries you are looking for. That said, I've had more Koreans come up and speak to me in my new (very) rural location than I have in previous years living in Korean cities (but only a few at that). I guess country people are country people all over the world (shy but friendly).
PS: I also find that more 'strangers' speak to me if I'm dressed like a tourist (cargo pants, colombia shirt, back pack, camera etc.). If I wear blue jeans and a cap they treat me like a Russian 3D worker (rude or ignore me).
Good luck. |
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interestedinhanguk
Joined: 23 Aug 2010
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| Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 4:17 pm Post subject: |
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PS: I also find that more 'strangers' speak to me if I'm dressed like a tourist (cargo pants, colombia shirt, back pack, camera etc.).
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I've gotten the same. When I had someone visit me (friend, sibling, etc.) it seems more people, on the subway for example, come and talk to us. I rarely get talked to even if I'm with one of my NET friends. |
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redaxe
Joined: 01 Dec 2008
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| Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 8:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Unfortunately, it's illegal to play Starcraft competitively on an E-2 visa. |
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balzor
Joined: 14 Feb 2009
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| Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 10:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Unfortunately, it's illegal to play Starcraft competitively on an E-2 visa. |
It's also illegal to have private tutoring without school permission but people do it. |
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