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butter_opera



Joined: 07 Apr 2010

PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 9:47 pm    Post subject: Elem School...need ideas Reply with quote

My CT sticks only to the book, and it drives the students and I both crazy! 40 minutes of listen and repeat, and then those retarded games! I have suggested several ways of improving the class, but all have been shot down!

I went from teaching HS to Elem so as one can well imagine, I do not teach the way she wants me to. Have any of you deviated from the textbook and still had a successful class? If so, what did you do differently?
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Ramen



Joined: 15 Apr 2008

PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 10:29 pm    Post subject: Re: Elem School...need ideas Reply with quote

butter_opera wrote:
My CT sticks only to the book, and it drives the students and I both crazy! 40 minutes of listen and repeat, and then those retarded games! I have suggested several ways of improving the class, but all have been shot down!

I went from teaching HS to Elem so as one can well imagine, I do not teach the way she wants me to. Have any of you deviated from the textbook and still had a successful class? If so, what did you do differently?


Your CT is in charge. You are only an assistant. Let him/her run the show and try not to butt in unless he/she asks you to. I promise it will make your life a lot easier during your transition. Razz
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tanklor1



Joined: 13 Jun 2006

PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 10:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I second that protip.
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madtownhustl



Joined: 04 Jun 2009

PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 10:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I stick to the book for the CD part, but thats about it. We never use the book games. Those are terrible... and the kids hate'em.

I would take the advice above tho, just go with the flow...
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lukas



Joined: 22 Aug 2009
Location: Bucheon

PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 10:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ask the school to front the bill for www.barryfunenglish.com. A year's subscription is only like 20-40$, i forget which.

They have good vocabulary that complements the lessons nicely, and the games aren't amazing, but they are 10000x better than those retarded card games over and over from the book.
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lukas



Joined: 22 Aug 2009
Location: Bucheon

PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 11:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ask the school to front the bill for www.barryfunenglish.com. A year's subscription is only like 20-40$, i forget which.

They have good vocabulary that complements the lessons nicely, and the games aren't amazing, but they are 10000x better than those retarded card games over and over from the book.
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nukeday



Joined: 13 May 2010

PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 11:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

my kids like a lot of the card games. hahaha. or they stomach them at least.

barryfunenglish is nice, but i'm not sure what it accomplishes other than getting the kids to shout out single vocabulary words at the screen
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kiwiinkorea



Joined: 17 Aug 2009

PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 1:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My co-teacher wants me to do everything in the book so I do that but then add lots of other stuff.

We do look and listen, repeat, songs (unless I can find a good alternative), reading, writing and role plays all from the book.

I add a ppt with pictures to practice the key expressions as the book doesn't really do that at all. So many different version of the key expression (e.g. let's play soccer, let's play baseball). Maybe your co-teacher would agree to something like that to improve the lesson.

I also rarely use the games in the book as they are pretty lame so I make my own games. Maybe you could make a game for the lesson and show it to your co-teacher - if they see it they might be more inclined to use it.

I don't like the barryfunenglish games but there are sometimes worksheets on that site which you can use. You could make a worksheet to practice words or sentences and see if your co-teacher would agree to use them. My students like doing worksheets.

Maybe she would let you add a short video. Gogos (a dinosaur learning English) often has a lesson which matches the key expression (there is one for 3rd grade Can you swim?). Just search on youtube.

However, if they really won't budge from the book then you will just have to relax and go with it.
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D.D.



Joined: 29 May 2008

PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 2:09 am    Post subject: Re: Elem School...need ideas Reply with quote

Ramen wrote:
butter_opera wrote:
My CT sticks only to the book, and it drives the students and I both crazy! 40 minutes of listen and repeat, and then those retarded games! I have suggested several ways of improving the class, but all have been shot down!

I went from teaching HS to Elem so as one can well imagine, I do not teach the way she wants me to. Have any of you deviated from the textbook and still had a successful class? If so, what did you do differently?


Your CT is in charge. You are only an assistant. Let him/her run the show and try not to butt in unless he/she asks you to. I promise it will make your life a lot easier during your transition. Razz


Is life about making things easier?
Is it our duty to increase the quality of education?
should we rock the boat?
If a plane is falling from the sky should we tell the pilot as the news might be stressful ?

My personal opinion is I friggin hate people say what the above poster said.

As a teacher I spend the first few weeks getting an idea where the students are at. Then I make up a plan and lessons to advance them from where they are. I keep checking in on their progress and keep trying new ways to help them advance.

I dont sit back and make a horrible ct feel comfortable sleep walking through work. But heh thats just me.

You are free to go along with a horrible program and say nothing, collect your pay.

Use youtube, get the students excited about topics they like. Get them excited to talk about topics they like in English.

For me little kids loved cartoons so we watched and talked about cartoons. Middle school liked pop music so we watched and talked about music they were into.

If anything the schools kill english by making it boring.
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Ramen



Joined: 15 Apr 2008

PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 4:01 pm    Post subject: Re: Elem School...need ideas Reply with quote

D.D. wrote:
Ramen wrote:
butter_opera wrote:
My CT sticks only to the book, and it drives the students and I both crazy! 40 minutes of listen and repeat, and then those retarded games! I have suggested several ways of improving the class, but all have been shot down!

I went from teaching HS to Elem so as one can well imagine, I do not teach the way she wants me to. Have any of you deviated from the textbook and still had a successful class? If so, what did you do differently?


Your CT is in charge. You are only an assistant. Let him/her run the show and try not to butt in unless he/she asks you to. I promise it will make your life a lot easier during your transition. Razz


Is life about making things easier?
Is it our duty to increase the quality of education?
should we rock the boat?
If a plane is falling from the sky should we tell the pilot as the news might be stressful ?

My personal opinion is I friggin hate people say what the above poster said.

As a teacher I spend the first few weeks getting an idea where the students are at. Then I make up a plan and lessons to advance them from where they are. I keep checking in on their progress and keep trying new ways to help them advance.

I dont sit back and make a horrible ct feel comfortable sleep walking through work. But heh thats just me.

You are free to go along with a horrible program and say nothing, collect your pay.

Use youtube, get the students excited about topics they like. Get them excited to talk about topics they like in English.

For me little kids loved cartoons so we watched and talked about cartoons. Middle school liked pop music so we watched and talked about music they were into.

If anything the schools kill english by making it boring.


It doesn't matter what you think is right or wrong. It doesn't make you a real teacher (but with few exceptional school) in Korean PS. You are still labeled and respected(?) as an assistant. Razz
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RufusW



Joined: 14 Jun 2008
Location: Busan

PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 4:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Although letting your CT run the show is certainly more stress-free, you'll degrade as a teacher, it won't be as fun and work satisfaction is gonna go down.

Make a powerpoint game to review the language. When your CT sees the kids really liking them, you'll be able to do more. Principles etc also like powerpoint games for open classes.

Check out this post
http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=191016
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D.D.



Joined: 29 May 2008

PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 6:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Who cares what you are labelled or respected as. Try to find a way to help the students regardless of the system that is teacher centered rather than student centered. Teaching is not about the teacher's ego it is about the needs of the students.
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ddeubel



Joined: 20 Jul 2005

PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 6:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have you read through and tried some of the things on Lessons in a Can 100+ full lessons.

Also try http://teachingrecipes.com

Cheers mate,

DD
http://eflclassroom.com
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randall020105



Joined: 08 Apr 2008
Location: the land of morning confusion...

PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 9:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nukeday wrote:
my kids like a lot of the card games. hahaha. or they stomach them at least.

barryfunenglish is nice, but i'm not sure what it accomplishes other than getting the kids to shout out single vocabulary words at the screen


Barryfun can accomplish much if you apply it right.... just like the present book.. hell, we even made http://www.starfall.com/ work wonders and http://www.mingoville.com/en.html...

it all depends how you apply the tools at your disposal... it's certainly not for everyone... I've seen people use barryfun word for word with no improvisation. it hurt me to watch how the kids sat there and rattle off words with no application sentences add in.


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randall020105



Joined: 08 Apr 2008
Location: the land of morning confusion...

PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 9:52 pm    Post subject: re: try this. Reply with quote

hey... i apologise if it sounds like I'm putting anyone down... try this:

http://www.mediafire.com

Grade 3:
username: [email protected]
password: kimchi

Grade 4 - 6:
change the number "3" to 4 , 5 or 6(in username) for each grade....password's the same...

let us know how it went.
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