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Drum Class - Need advice from experienced teachers

 
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Chet Wautlands



Joined: 11 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2010 5:41 pm    Post subject: Drum Class - Need advice from experienced teachers Reply with quote

I've recently started teaching a new weekly class called "Drum English" at our school and it's not going well. The idea behind this class is to teach English to advanced level students through the means of Korean traditional drumming. The class is every week until December.

The biggest problem is that my co-teacher is supposed to do the drum instruction while I teach English, but the only teacher in the school who knows how to drum cannot speak English at all. This makes communication difficult. I just keep saying "no book" (book means drum), but he won't listen. The students are constantly drumming!

I've tried using the drums to count syllables, but it always ends up in a lot of noise and me shout "no book! stop book!"

I'm sure I'm not the only one who has had to teach "Drum English" as apparently it's becoming quite the trend in Korea. Any advice?
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Chet Wautlands



Joined: 11 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 7:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No help?
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RMNC



Joined: 21 Jul 2010

PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 9:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My advice is to quit a B.S. school like that, because no, "Drum English" is not becoming popular, nor is it even a good idea.

Start looking now.
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wesharris



Joined: 10 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 6:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That isn't very helpful, or even marginally useful RNMC.
You should be ashamed.
OP, try engaging the students with your lesson , THEN involve
the drums as some type of game. Learn a few useful phrases
like stop and start, teach them that english, and make sure that
you follow up with them through repetitive teaching.
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alljokingaside



Joined: 17 Feb 2010

PostPosted: Fri Sep 10, 2010 10:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

if you can't work with your co-teacher using the drums, then theres no way in hell that the drums'll be useful in class. maybe as a reward or something. doubtful.

i think they're trying to bank offa the "innovative" angle and trying to cater to the kinesthetic+auditory learners.
i also think they should get their heads checked, whoever came up with this half-baked idea. ironically enough in korea.
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Hotpants



Joined: 27 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Sat Sep 11, 2010 12:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sure it's popular to have Korean students getting English drummed into them, but someone somewhere has just taken this a wee bit too literally ... Shocked
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Rocktek



Joined: 17 Dec 2009
Location: South Korea

PostPosted: Sun Sep 12, 2010 4:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is actually an old idea in ESL believe it or not.

There's a lot of information just googling beat poetry and (jazz) chanting.

http://esl.about.com/od/grammarlessons/a/chant_intro.htm

The real problem here is the rhythms themselves. Traditional Korean percussion music is NOT usually (if ever) in a 4/4 time signature. That's why the jazz chants would be a good base for you.

Also, the rhythm of English DOES NOT FIT the rhythms of traditional Korean music.

It's not a completely absurd idea (but close), but maybe those resources will help you come up with something that will make them "feel" like it's working great.

Good luck, and if you get a chance, please videotape and upload a snippet of that class to youtube, we could all use a little amusement around here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAYwoLZso7s
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lifeinkorea



Joined: 24 Jan 2009
Location: somewhere in China

PostPosted: Sun Sep 12, 2010 7:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The idea behind this class is to teach English to advanced level students through the means of Korean traditional drumming.


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Why advanced? Wouldn't it make more sense to use another subject for students who "aren't" getting it?

I am teaching Koreans here in China, and they are very good students. Parents pay a lot of money to get them to prepare for SAT tests and acceptance into Beijing University. There is no way I could see myself going in with drumsticks and "paradiddling" through reading comprehension and essay writing classes.

Too funny Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

Now if you want some practical advice, use this concept with younger students who are not advanced. Use it for mentally handicapped.

If you are advanced and you want to drum, then drum. Get an instructor and perform. Forget the English.
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alljokingaside



Joined: 17 Feb 2010

PostPosted: Tue Sep 14, 2010 5:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rocktek wrote:
This is actually an old idea in ESL believe it or not.

There's a lot of information just googling beat poetry and (jazz) chanting.

http://esl.about.com/od/grammarlessons/a/chant_intro.htm

The real problem here is the rhythms themselves. Traditional Korean percussion music is NOT usually (if ever) in a 4/4 time signature. That's why the jazz chants would be a good base for you.

Also, the rhythm of English DOES NOT FIT the rhythms of traditional Korean music.

It's not a completely absurd idea (but close), but maybe those resources will help you come up with something that will make them "feel" like it's working great.

Good luck, and if you get a chance, please videotape and upload a snippet of that class to youtube, we could all use a little amusement around here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAYwoLZso7s


Not knockin the idea in itself, but given (at least from my experience here [here being the key word]) the attitudes of both students and teachers alike in terms of method, it doesn't seem likely to succeed in the publics here. I mean, its hard enough to keep them from getting distracted as is; the addition of big, round things that you can beat incessantly in class, drowning out all other sounds out, including the voice of the teachers as well as their own voice form being heard...
also, two words- koreans clapping
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fugitive chicken



Joined: 20 Apr 2010
Location: Bucheon

PostPosted: Tue Sep 14, 2010 6:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, the only way this class is going to succeed is take away the drums and replace with clapping. If toward the end of class the kids are doing well, replace clapping with drums but without the sticks. If one student uses it irresponsibly, take away his drum. But absolutely do not give them the sticks. If your co-teacher complains, that this isn't traditional Korean drumming, kindly tell him (through a translator if necessary) that this is your class and the incessant drumming doesn't work
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Rocktek



Joined: 17 Dec 2009
Location: South Korea

PostPosted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 8:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

alljokingaside wrote:
also, two words- koreans clapping


Two more words - Koreans dancing
Shocked
(White men can't jump, and...you get the idea) Laughing
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