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travel zen
Joined: 22 Feb 2005 Location: Good old Toronto, Canada
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Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2010 12:47 pm Post subject: |
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I oppose 'place ethnic group here' immigration for the same reason I oppose the opposition to 'place religious center here'. It is in the interests of social stability for societies not to have these disruptions. If you let 'place ethnic group here' in you must treat them equally or the inherent problems of the diverse society will get worse.
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Adolf Hitler, 2010.
Why hate people ? Stop the madness. |
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stilicho25
Joined: 05 Apr 2010
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Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2010 1:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Hitler was bad because he killed millions of people. Not because of his immigration policies. I disagree with Mises frequently, but the whole calling anyone who challenges liberal orthodoxy "hitler" is getting played out. Esp when he specificly said when "X" ethnicity is in country they should be treated the same. |
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beck's
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Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2010 1:46 pm Post subject: |
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Pastor Jones should be denounced for his plans to burn copies of the Qur�an. His plan is �disrespectful, divisive and disgraceful.� It is clearly an intolerant act that has no place in a civilized society. He should as Professor Obama said, "listen to better angels."
However, Pastor Jones has the constitutional right to burn his Qur�ans no matter how disdainful his actions may be. That is if he obeys the local fire regulations which I assume he will.
In a similar way, Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf has the constitutional right to build a mosque near the site of Ground Zero. The first amendment protects his right to do so as we were so elegantly informed of by Professor Obama. This right is his absolutely regardless of the fact that Imam Rauf has claimed that �Osama Bin Laden was made in America� or by his refusal to agree with the American State Department that Hamas is a terrorist organization. Although in his recent fund raising junket to the ME Rauf has been financed by the American taxpayers.
Imam Rauf�s plans can go ahead even though something like seventy percent of Americans are opposed to having a fifteen story mosque build near the site of the biggest attack on American soil since Pearl Harbour. Need he be reminded that the attackers were motivated by verses in the Qu'ran. Can we honestly believe that Imam Rauf�s plans to build a mosque at Ground Zero are intended to build bridges with the Americans who lost family members on 9/11? Or, is the Imam acting on the behest of Middle Eastern nations, including Iran who will no doubt be asked for contributions?
Pastor Jones and Imam Rauf should both be condemned as intolerant and insensitive. Burning Qu�rans is hurtful, pure and simple but so is building a mosque at the site where so many were murdered in the name of Islam and with the support of Qu'ranic verses. Our political betters, especially the good Professor Obama, should recognize that sensitivity cuts both ways. |
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Mr. Kalgukshi
Joined: 19 Jan 2003 Location: Here or on the International Job Forums
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Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2010 2:40 pm Post subject: |
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Several postings have been deleted for being off-topic and discussing religion. To the extent this thread continues to focus on the topic as a non-religious one, it will continue to be available.
To the extent that it begins to focus on religion, it will disappear. |
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ThingsComeAround

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tiger fancini

Joined: 21 Mar 2006 Location: Testicles for Eyes
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Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2010 5:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Another example of the Western world being afraid of Islam. Marvellous. South Park totally nailed it in their 200/201 episodes. |
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recessiontime

Joined: 21 Jun 2010 Location: Got avatar privileges nyahahaha
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Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2010 5:19 pm Post subject: |
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Terry Jones said he was calling off the event after the group behind a planned Islamic centre near Ground Zero in New York agreed to relocate it.
But the cultural centre's organisers said they had no plans to move it. |
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Kimbop

Joined: 31 Mar 2008
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Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2010 5:40 pm Post subject: |
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Looks like everyone got what they wanted - the weak west's submission! Sure glad that's over, so that moderate islam can get back to its regular enforcement schedule:
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http://www.torontosun.com/blogs/thehill/2010/09/08/15282706.html
Here�s just a few recent headlines:
Family in hiding following accusations of blasphemy
Update: Christian exonerated of blasphemy charges
Two Christian girls raped in Punjab
Christian nursing student brutally assaulted
Two Christians murdered after accusations of blasphemy
Churches attacked by Islamic militants
Muslims kill Christian woman and children
Family rescued from mob, accused of blasphemy |
I hope you all enjoyed the spectacle of western world leaders stepping up to display their sharia compliance bona fides. I didn't.
"Don't do it or they'll hurt us. Islam has now been officially sanctioned as the most powerful religion on earth and if we offend it they can kill us and we deserve to be killed."
We're all so much safer for it, yes?
Instead, our leaders have telegraphed to barbarians - some of whom have the arsenals to do real damage - that they will cow into submission the acts of even the most lowly and unimportant of our citizens to avoid confrontation.
Unlike the flag burners and bible burners and crucifix defilers that number in the tens of thousands, this pastor did nothing but state an intention. And look at the force that our weak "leaders" brought down on him to prevent it. |
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Kimbop

Joined: 31 Mar 2008
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Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2010 5:46 pm Post subject: |
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Adolf Hitler, 2010.
Why hate (pedophiles, barbarians, homophobes, subjugators of women, polygamists, fascists)? Stop the madness. |
Italics mine. |
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ThingsComeAround

Joined: 07 Nov 2008
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Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2010 5:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Another example of the Western world being afraid of Islam. Marvellous. South Park totally nailed it in their 200/201 episodes. |
I'm not against it due to fear of Islam. I'm against reckless behavior that will do more harm than good
Given the US occupation in the Middle East, I think it was the right thing to do. Lives of soldiers shouldn't be placed in greater peril because some nut wants to make a point (again) |
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Leon
Joined: 31 May 2010
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Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2010 6:04 pm Post subject: |
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Looks like everyone got what they wanted - the weak west's submission! Sure glad that's over, so that moderate islam can get back to its regular enforcement schedule:
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http://www.torontosun.com/blogs/thehill/2010/09/08/15282706.html
Here�s just a few recent headlines:
Family in hiding following accusations of blasphemy
Update: Christian exonerated of blasphemy charges
Two Christian girls raped in Punjab
Christian nursing student brutally assaulted
Two Christians murdered after accusations of blasphemy
Churches attacked by Islamic militants
Muslims kill Christian woman and children
Family rescued from mob, accused of blasphemy |
I hope you all enjoyed the spectacle of western world leaders stepping up to display their sharia compliance bona fides. I didn't.
"Don't do it or they'll hurt us. Islam has now been officially sanctioned as the most powerful religion on earth and if we offend it they can kill us and we deserve to be killed."
We're all so much safer for it, yes?
Instead, our leaders have telegraphed to barbarians - some of whom have the arsenals to do real damage - that they will cow into submission the acts of even the most lowly and unimportant of our citizens to avoid confrontation.
Unlike the flag burners and bible burners and crucifix defilers that number in the tens of thousands, this pastor did nothing but state an intention. And look at the force that our weak "leaders" brought down on him to prevent it. |
It's strategic thinking not cowardice. Why should we antagonize those people more than we already have by waging war against them and occupying their lands. What would we gain? |
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Captain Corea

Joined: 28 Feb 2005 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2010 8:49 pm Post subject: |
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However, Pastor Jones has the constitutional right to burn his Qur�ans no matter how disdainful his actions may be. That is if he obeys the local fire regulations which I assume he will.
In a similar way, Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf has the constitutional right to build a mosque near the site of Ground Zero. The first amendment protects his right to do so as we were so elegantly informed of by Professor Obama. |
For me, this is about as far as it goes. Everything else is just fuel for the fire. |
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Summer Wine
Joined: 20 Mar 2005 Location: Next to a River
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Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2010 5:17 am Post subject: |
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Another commentator made a funny on another webpage when he said it could be basically condensed to to this:
"We will burn the koran because we believe that Islam is a violent religion, vs We will protest and riot (possibly kill people) if you burn the Koran".
Personally, I don't think they even needed to touch the Quaran, the media provided multiple examples of people who are so worked up over an issue that they pledge to kill someone over it or explain that someone else will kill in thier name.
The Bible has been burnt a number of times before, in one case in india, people just burnt a missionary and his two sons in thier car - that made sure they got the bible.
I feel that for extremists, we should not give them a reason. I would never have known or cared that a person existed in the states that would burn a book if the media hadn't told me.
The media is just as responsible for incitement of violence as the Pastor of the church is. |
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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003 Location: England
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Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2010 6:17 am Post subject: |
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| I wonder if the Islamic world gets as worked up about the Saudi policy of incinerating the Bible at its airports and providing a curriculum which is extremely hateful toward other relgions and the apostasy laws which are a feature of largely Islamic countries.The Islamic community demands a level of respect that it is often unprepared to extend to other faiths itself. This is better know as hypocrisy, and irrespective of the fact that the pastor is a fool, the west should recognise the double standards at work here and stop acting in such a subserviant way. |
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blackjack

Joined: 04 Jan 2006 Location: anyang
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Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2010 6:25 am Post subject: |
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| I wonder if the Islamic world gets as worked up about the Saudi policy of incinerating the Bible at its airports and providing a curriculum which is extremely hateful toward other relgions and the apostasy laws which are a feature of largely Islamic countries.The Islamic community demands a level of respect that it is often unprepared to extend to other faiths itself. This is better know as hypocrisy, and irrespective of the fact that the pastor is a fool, the west should recognise the double standards at work here and stop acting in such a subserviant way. |
I have never heard of this before can you provide a link? |
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