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cazador83

Joined: 28 Feb 2006 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Sun Sep 12, 2010 5:21 pm Post subject: Sumatra or Borneo? Or Peninsular Malaysia? |
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Thinking about Malaysia (Peninsular or Borneo side) or Indonesia (Sumatra or Borneo).
Gonna have about 4 weeks. I was thinking Peninsular Malaysia and Sumatra, but was also wanting to check out Sipadan on the Borneo side. What is realistically possible?
Also, what are some must see place? Oh and Singapore Air vs. Malaysian Air? |
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AustSaint
Joined: 26 Jun 2003 Location: Yongmun
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Posted: Sun Sep 12, 2010 5:41 pm Post subject: |
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I have only been to Borneo, well only parts of Borneo and that was great. It was quite a nice difference to Korea and other parts of Asia |
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Kurtz
Joined: 05 Jan 2007 Location: ples bilong me
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Posted: Sun Sep 12, 2010 8:02 pm Post subject: |
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I travelled the peninsula about 10 years ago. From memory the scenery was quite damaged from the large scale clearing of jungle, and putting in oil palm plantations. The mosques aren't anything special, nor are the beaches but Tioman and Perhentian Island(spelling) were a kind of tropical oasis back then. The Cameron Highlands were nice too.
The food is fantastic if you like Indian especially and the people are quite friendly. Females might get some attention as due to it being an Islamic nation, the men are quite frustrated. I heard of stories about local men getting a room in a backpackers place and getting off at the sounds happening next door.
It's a good value nation, but nothing like other parts of SE Asia.
I'd recommend it for a first timer to Asia, but for those wanting something more exotic, I'd look elsewhere. |
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Skyblue
Joined: 02 Mar 2007
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Posted: Sun Sep 12, 2010 8:24 pm Post subject: |
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Sumatra is boring. And a dump. Spent 12 weeks there on two separate occasions. The first time back in 2001 was good, especially Aceh before the tsunami, but the second time, the changes all around were depressing. The whole place had just gone downhill, especially Danau Toba, where a few heroin addicted dudes sat around trying to flog me overpriced gear all the time, and every five steps had yet another old woman trying to sell me a wooden carving and then acting disappointed when I said no. What did they expect?
Peninsular Malaysia, I've been there many, many times. KL is good fun in the typical big city way. Otherwise, I really do like Penang, especially the aforementioned Indian food, but there's nothing to do there after a few days. The rest of the place is pretty mundane to be honest. I've never been to the islands though.
To be honest, I wouldn't go back to either one again. |
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cazador83

Joined: 28 Feb 2006 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2010 7:00 am Post subject: |
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Skyblue wrote: |
Sumatra is boring. And a dump. Spent 12 weeks there on two separate occasions. The first time back in 2001 was good, especially Aceh before the tsunami, but the second time, the changes all around were depressing. The whole place had just gone downhill, especially Danau Toba, where a few heroin addicted dudes sat around trying to flog me overpriced gear all the time, and every five steps had yet another old woman trying to sell me a wooden carving and then acting disappointed when I said no. What did they expect?
Peninsular Malaysia, I've been there many, many times. KL is good fun in the typical big city way. Otherwise, I really do like Penang, especially the aforementioned Indian food, but there's nothing to do there after a few days. The rest of the place is pretty mundane to be honest. I've never been to the islands though.
To be honest, I wouldn't go back to either one again. |
when was the last time you went? was it right after the tsunami hit? the LP 2010 guidebook raves about sumatra like it's the best place on earth.... |
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Skyblue
Joined: 02 Mar 2007
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Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2010 8:13 pm Post subject: |
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The LP is pretty hit and miss in my experience. Everyone you meet has a different take on things. And remember that the LP updates every 5 years or so, and that does not necessarily entail a full-scale trip around the place by one of their writers.
I was there in 2001 and again in 2007-8. So the second time was a good long time after the tsunami, and that didn't even affect lots of the places, mainly Aceh. Other places have had their own problems. Danau Toba is just depressing, partly because no one goes there anymore. There are so many identical guesthouses selling pizzas and wooden carvings, and a few tourists who get the feeling that there's no life there at all.
Berastagi is at the site of the volcano that's kicking off now. Nothing to see there to be honest. Bukit Lawang had that devastating flash flood. I didn't rate it when I was there the first time, long ago, but it's OK for a couple days if you want to trek into the jungle with a guide. Otherwise, it's like a zoo with one animal - orangutans. Bukittinggi and Danau Maninjau suffering from Danau Toba syndrome - no one there, depressing vibe, place mouldering away, with the added benefit of Muslims who are more ardent since Iraq and Afghanistan. They're all wearing their headscarves now.
Go check it out if you want, and do come back and tell me that you had a great time if that was the case, but for me the whole island, while ruggedly prehistorical looking, lacked any sense of welcome or energy. |
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zhanknight
Joined: 24 Mar 2010 Location: Yangsan
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Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2010 7:51 am Post subject: |
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If you go to the Malaysian half of Borneo, there are two big things to do!
First: Climb Mt. Kinabalu. Second: Go to Miri and take the small prop plane to Ganung Mulu National Park. Both of these places were on the series 'Planet Earth' if you ever saw it. Amazing stuff.
Then maybe continue down to Kuching - it's a nice town and you can catch a glimpse of some orang-utans.
If you're into it, you can stop in tiny Brunei as well, there are some absolutely breathtaking mosques here and some great museums.
I was all over this area earlier this year, really enjoyed it. You can hit my flickr or youtube page if you want some photos or videos.
http://www.youtube.com/evannrachel
http://www.flickr.com/evannrachel |
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lalartu
Joined: 29 Apr 2008
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Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 4:49 am Post subject: |
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zhanknight wrote: |
If you go to the Malaysian half of Borneo, there are two big things to do!
First: Climb Mt. Kinabalu. Second: Go to Miri and take the small prop plane to Ganung Mulu National Park. Both of these places were on the series 'Planet Earth' if you ever saw it. Amazing stuff.
Then maybe continue down to Kuching - it's a nice town and you can catch a glimpse of some orang-utans.
If you're into it, you can stop in tiny Brunei as well, there are some absolutely breathtaking mosques here and some great museums.
I was all over this area earlier this year, really enjoyed it. You can hit my flickr or youtube page if you want some photos or videos.
http://www.youtube.com/evannrachel
http://www.flickr.com/evannrachel |
I think Borneo is a either a love it or hate it experience.
Some people seemed to like it, but I found it to be extremely depressing and too remote. I love nature hikes, but it was totally not worth on Borneo.
I went there for a scuba trip and traveled from Kota Kinabalu all the was South East to Sipadan Island and other than the island itself, haven't really seen anything impressive or amazing that I haven't seen in other countries.
I would say Thailand is a lot better, as is Malaysia proper.
Borneo imo was a total waste of time, other than the diving or possibly hiking the mountain, if you really have't had enough hiking in Korea;)
some of the reasons to avoid Borneo:
-very bad food compared to Malaysian mainland, with meat often tasting weird. I've been even told that it's possibly made out of street animals.
-too many transvestites that love to pick on foreigners, way way more annoying than thailand
-the nature tours are a total rip off. I actually had more fun in the local zoo where i got to throw apples at elephants (the way they feed them) and poke fun at an orangutan, than I did on so called nature trips on Borneo. zoo was 5$, trips were like 40$ each.
-too frigging scary at night. ive walked down a main street of a dive resort to get to my hotel and stumbled upon a 2 meter long monitor lizard looking for stray dogs. almost peed my pants when that thing started running
-people tend to beg a little too much compared to other parts of malaysia
-too easy to get ripped off
-a lot of attitude from the locals. most of them are not malay and are actually the borneo natives and other than people living on the island, i found that most of them not that friendly. once again, mainland malaysians are amazing in comparison.
-feels, smells and looks like a dump |
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ajgeddes

Joined: 28 Apr 2004 Location: Yongsan
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Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 6:30 am Post subject: |
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lalartu wrote: |
some of the reasons to avoid Borneo:
-very bad food compared to Malaysian mainland, with meat often tasting weird. I've been even told that it's possibly made out of street animals.
-too many transvestites that love to pick on foreigners, way way more annoying than thailand
-the nature tours are a total rip off. I actually had more fun in the local zoo where i got to throw apples at elephants (the way they feed them) and poke fun at an orangutan, than I did on so called nature trips on Borneo. zoo was 5$, trips were like 40$ each.
-too frigging scary at night. ive walked down a main street of a dive resort to get to my hotel and stumbled upon a 2 meter long monitor lizard looking for stray dogs. almost peed my pants when that thing started running
-people tend to beg a little too much compared to other parts of malaysia
-too easy to get ripped off
-a lot of attitude from the locals. most of them are not malay and are actually the borneo natives and other than people living on the island, i found that most of them not that friendly. once again, mainland malaysians are amazing in comparison.
-feels, smells and looks like a dump |
I realize that everyone's experience is different but I have to disagree with everything you said. I had very good food and I thought the food in Kuching was the best I had in Malaysia. I didn't even notice any transvestites let alone get annoyed by them. I took a tour down a river where I saw the best wildlife I have ever seen. It was just outside of Sandakan. Was never scared at night, but I guess if I was to see a huge monitor lizard really late at night, I would be scared. I never really noticed any beggers in Kuching, none in Miri, very few in Kota Kinabalu and a few in Sandankan (which really is a sad city). I also thought the prices on Borneo were for the most part the same, or cheaper than on the peninsula. I also thought the people in both Kuching and Kota Kinabalu were very friendly and easy to get along with.
Don't get me wrong, it isn't perfect and it isn't as developed as the peninsula, but I have been to Malaysian Borneo 3 times and the peninsula twice and I prefer Borneo. |
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zhanknight
Joined: 24 Mar 2010 Location: Yangsan
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Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 4:26 pm Post subject: |
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ajgeddes wrote: |
lalartu wrote: |
some of the reasons to avoid Borneo:
-very bad food compared to Malaysian mainland, with meat often tasting weird. I've been even told that it's possibly made out of street animals.
-too many transvestites that love to pick on foreigners, way way more annoying than thailand
-the nature tours are a total rip off. I actually had more fun in the local zoo where i got to throw apples at elephants (the way they feed them) and poke fun at an orangutan, than I did on so called nature trips on Borneo. zoo was 5$, trips were like 40$ each.
-too frigging scary at night. ive walked down a main street of a dive resort to get to my hotel and stumbled upon a 2 meter long monitor lizard looking for stray dogs. almost peed my pants when that thing started running
-people tend to beg a little too much compared to other parts of malaysia
-too easy to get ripped off
-a lot of attitude from the locals. most of them are not malay and are actually the borneo natives and other than people living on the island, i found that most of them not that friendly. once again, mainland malaysians are amazing in comparison.
-feels, smells and looks like a dump |
I realize that everyone's experience is different but I have to disagree with everything you said. I had very good food and I thought the food in Kuching was the best I had in Malaysia. I didn't even notice any transvestites let alone get annoyed by them. I took a tour down a river where I saw the best wildlife I have ever seen. It was just outside of Sandakan. Was never scared at night, but I guess if I was to see a huge monitor lizard really late at night, I would be scared. I never really noticed any beggers in Kuching, none in Miri, very few in Kota Kinabalu and a few in Sandankan (which really is a sad city). I also thought the prices on Borneo were for the most part the same, or cheaper than on the peninsula. I also thought the people in both Kuching and Kota Kinabalu were very friendly and easy to get along with.
Don't get me wrong, it isn't perfect and it isn't as developed as the peninsula, but I have been to Malaysian Borneo 3 times and the peninsula twice and I prefer Borneo. |
Same here, Kuching food makes my mouth water like crazy.
I will say that I had a few similar lizard experiences. It was terrifying, but I got to check off 'Get attacked by a dinosaur' on my to-do list. So, win. |
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