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[clyde]

One other thing to keep in mind is that this is Korea and there are no salt of the earth, ethical breeder types here. If you want a purebred, there is no choice but to use a pet store.

[mm]

Clyde: IF you insist on having a pure breed you are able to find almost any breed of dog or cat in the shelters. Most of the dogs/cats in the shelters are pure breeds. You will find that a number of people who purchase their animals in the pets stores are the same ones who are abandoning them on the streets or at shelters. Please visit:

http://www.karama.or.kr/community_7.asp

You will be able to see that the majority of dogs/cats are pure breeds, often coming to the shelter with dyed fur, groomed and pink blush on their 'cheeks.'

So, yes, it is entirely possible, some may even say easy to find pure breed animals without having to 'shop' at a pet store.

[robotco]

i really don't see the difference. if i hadn't bought chalky, my cat, he could have gone unwanted, and maybe would have been given to a shelter and probably euthanized anyway. why is his life less important than a cat who just happens to be already in a shelter? his life was just as miserable, maybe moreso than a cat that's in a shelter now.

i see what you're saying with puppies and kittens coming from mills. it's a terrible practice, but f you mm, i just saved a life and i love my cat.

no one person is going to be able to change what goes on in this world and i'm sure we're all doing the best we can. and calling people disgusting on the internet for saving a cat from a pet store isn't only rude and unbecoming, it does nothing to help your cause.

[mm]

By buying a pet in a pet store you are supporting kitten/puppy mills. as long as people are DISGUSTING enough to continue to purchase cats/dogs this way they will continue to be produced.

You admit it is a terrible practice but you participate in it and say that you are only one person and you can't make a difference. You can.

I don't get what is so difficult to understand about this.

Sorry, if you are offended by the use of "disgusting," I really love and care for animals.

[Scotticus]

[clyde]

I tried the link that was provided and could only find dogs because it is all in Korean. If that site is a worthy alternative to pet stores then great. Maybe by accepting that there will always be pet stores, pressure could put on them to hold themselves to ethical standards. A big part of being a pet owner for me is raising it from a kitten. I feel that a stronger bond can be formed that way. I know that taking in a stray is a noble thing to do, but we can't all save the world. Just as an aside here, I bought both my cats from a store in Chungmuro and I have noticed a marked difference of improvement. When I got my last little guy, the saleslady was very particular about the cat's health, she recommended a great vet, and provided some useful tips on how to keep him healthy. Who knows maybe people are changing in this industry. I don't really think it is fair to demonize people for using pet stores. MM do you get a complete corporate history of the tanneries that Reebok uses for its leather each time you buy shoes? Or what about a KFC chicken burger? Corporations are ugly things, I completely admit this, but 2 wonderful little souls are leading happy healthy lives now because I flopped down a bunch of money for them. Like I said harm reduction. Maybe attacking people that hate animals and kill them personally would be a more useful use of your time.

[mm]

I don't think I ever attacked anyone. I made my point very clear.

And I think my point is still very clear and rational. I am not sure why people aren't understanding this.

There are plenty of kittens and puppies that need adoption also. There is by far no lack of unwanted puppies and kittens. Personally I have adopted/fostered puppies, teenagers, middle age and elderly dogs.

So, to sum up your arguments and my rebuttals

Your arguments
1. People want pure breeds

Rebuttal
You can find almost any kind of pure breed animal in a shelter

Your arguments
2. People want kittens/puppies

Rebuttal
You can find a huge amount of kittens/puppies in a shelter


Raising a dog/cat is a wonderful thing. I am happy every time I go home and I get to see their smiling faces. I am sure you feel the same way despite where you 'purchased' your animal. I never intended to insinuate you were a bad pet owner, I am sure you are wonderful to your cats. But sorry, buying a pet in a pet store is disgusting. Especially in these times when EVERYONE knows where they come from and knows that it can be stopped if people stopped buying them.

There may be another link on the karama website or the nadiya website specifically for cats.

[n�fara]

[n�fara]

Also, to the OP:

I'm sorry, I only know of an adult Siamese cat for adoption at a local shelter.

However, if you might be interested in a Persian kitten, there is a cute one available for adoption here: http://www.animalrescuekorea.org/forums/showthread.php?t=4368

[Scotticus]

[robotco]

scotticus, your age is showing. at this point, i'm sure you're very idealistic and think you can change things by getting a cat from shelter, but you're wrong, and you'll always be wrong. my cat could have very well ended up in a shelter. so if i picked him up at that point in his life, it would be ok? but by giving him a longer and better life by getting him early, that's wrong?

so every cat and dog and rabbit in pet stores should just rot and die because you have a cause?

in the here and now, the cat i bought is safe and happy, and if you're saying that's wrong, well then you guys have the problem, not me. it really can't get any more clear than that. have fun thinking you can change the world until you grow up.

edit: sorry for hijacking your post OP

[mm]

robotco:

I don't see why you aren't understanding this. It is very simple. When you purchase animals from a pet store they are being replaced by animals from a mill. If you stop purchasing animals from pet stores, mills will stop producing animals. What monetary gain do mills get from producing animals that no one wants? And what monetary gain do pet stores get from trying to sell an animal that no one wants? By purchasing animals you are not only supporting animal mills but you are also supporting an increase in stray and unwanted dogs.

And rescuing dogs/cats is not a noble deed or even changing the world in a big way, it is just a sensible, rational thing to do.

[tatu]

mm makes very good points...so true

[Scotticus]

Robotco, I'm sorry, man. I have no idea how to get this through to you. Mm has explained it pretty simply on multiple occasions and you keep coming back with the same "but I 'saved' my animal from the pet store" argument that has yet to, and will never, make sense in relation to the argument at hand. The argument has never, and will never, be about whether or not you're a good "daddy" for your pet. It's about the fact that getting a pet in one way - from a pet store - causes harm to other animals, whereas getting a pet in another way - from a shelter - does not in any way support, condone or fund puppy/kitten mills.

You also seem to be mistaking ignorance for maturity ("growing up"). They are not one in the same.

[KOREAN_MAN]