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SandyG21
Joined: 26 Oct 2008
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Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2010 2:36 pm Post subject: Lack of Response from Recruiters |
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Now I know recruiters are busy people - but the lack of response from them is absurd - I will spend alot of time filling out their job applications and submitting my documents - and then no response - I do it again - and still no response.
Yes I have a BS in education and experience in teaching in the USA.
At least a response saying they received my documents and they aren't interested in placing me would be more professional.
Obviously they are information gathering on their websites - at least give an applicant some feedback! |
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laguna
Joined: 27 Jun 2010
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Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2010 3:19 pm Post subject: Re: Lack of Response from Recruiters |
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SandyG21 wrote: |
Now I know recruiters are busy people - but the lack of response from them is absurd - I will spend alot of time filling out their job applications and submitting my documents - and then no response - I do it again - and still no response.
Yes I have a BS in education and experience in teaching in the USA.
At least a response saying they received my documents and they aren't interested in placing me would be more professional.
Obviously they are information gathering on their websites - at least give an applicant some feedback! |
They have no obligation to you, so your complaints are falling on deaf ears. |
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SandyG21
Joined: 26 Oct 2008
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Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2010 3:45 pm Post subject: |
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They have an obligation to find teachers for schools however.
Too bad the schools don't know the lousy job the recruiters are doing! |
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3DR
Joined: 24 May 2009
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Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2010 3:52 pm Post subject: |
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Well like laguna said, they don't have an obligation. Especially wit the market the way it is nowadays. They can pick and choose whoever they want and still get their commissions. |
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Hotwire
Joined: 29 Aug 2010 Location: Multiverse
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Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2010 4:16 pm Post subject: |
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They are not information gathering sites. They just have been flooded with applicants.
Take me. 6th year here. Last 5 years I have to beat jobs off with a stick. Literally a week after apllying - Tons of offers, interview not even neccessary, daily calls offering jobs well after my initial applications and a month into new job.
This year - 8 weeks of applications and 2 phone interivews that never got back to me with a yes or no and finally a job that I wouldn't have taken last year.
Plus several recruiters sent me autoimatic emails saying they have so many applicants it will take a few weeks until they can apply to everyone.
And cue the F visa guys contributing nada to the thread but posting just to boast how nothing has changed for them and ya ya ya in 3, 2, 1.... |
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sulperman
Joined: 14 Oct 2008
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Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2010 5:05 pm Post subject: |
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SandyG21 wrote: |
They have an obligation to find teachers for schools however.
Too bad the schools don't know the lousy job the recruiters are doing! |
Odd train of thought you've got going there.
I am quite sure they are having no problem finding teachers. Just not you. |
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Ramen
Joined: 15 Apr 2008
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Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2010 5:08 pm Post subject: |
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sulperman wrote: |
SandyG21 wrote: |
They have an obligation to find teachers for schools however.
Too bad the schools don't know the lousy job the recruiters are doing! |
Odd train of thought you've got going there.
I am quite sure they are having no problem finding teachers. Just not you. |
they're looking for fresh outta iv league college, young, blond, naive n.american female.  |
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devanna
Joined: 05 Aug 2010
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Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2010 5:10 pm Post subject: |
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Maybe you're not marketing yourself right? It took me a while before I found a recruiter who would give me the time of day. It also depends on what time during the year you're applying. And sometimes they can take more than a month to get back to you. |
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ttompatz

Joined: 05 Sep 2005 Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2010 6:36 pm Post subject: Re: Lack of Response from Recruiters |
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SandyG21 wrote: |
Now I know recruiters are busy people - but the lack of response from them is absurd - I will spend alot of time filling out their job applications and submitting my documents - and then no response - I do it again - and still no response.
Yes I have a BS in education and experience in teaching in the USA.
At least a response saying they received my documents and they aren't interested in placing me would be more professional.
Obviously they are information gathering on their websites - at least give an applicant some feedback! |
With a degree in education and classroom experience = why in Ghods name are you looking to teach ESL in Korea (entry level at that)?
In a market that is flooded with new, cheap, unqualified labor, why aren't you looking at something better than entry level positions teaching ESL?
With all the jobs for licensed teachers going unfilled across Asia - you should be looking at things like the NET program in Hong Kong or one of the public school positions in Taiwan (with about double the salary of a Korean ESL teacher) as well as all the perks.
Then there are the IB and international schools who are looking for teachers (home country licensing required) who pay about $40k per year (plus benefits (like housing, airfare, 3-4 months of annual vacation, continued professional development, medical and pension benefits).
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SandyG21
Joined: 26 Oct 2008
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Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2010 7:10 pm Post subject: |
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The IB and international schools have even more competition than esl schools. There are massive teacher layoffs in the USA - and no jobs - hence degree/license teachers are definitely looking for ESL jobs. |
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blonde researcher
Joined: 16 Oct 2006 Location: Globalizing in Korea for the time being
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Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2010 7:11 pm Post subject: |
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How are you promoting yourself and what are you requesting to get a recruiters attention? (or not get any attention?)
Maybe you are stating a salary you require? or asking for a specific area or city you must work in or a specific time you can be there? - or coming to Korea with a boyfriend who will not be working etc etc.
The more specific you are in any requests now the harder your chances are to get any job at all.
Flexibility and reality are now market criteria with any recruiters I would expect.
An applicant obviously has to be very 'saleable'' to get a recruiters attention in today's market.
Maybe a new trend will start soon of applicants having to pay a fee to recruiters to have them find a job for them instead of recruiters doing everything for free while at the same time knowing the person is also applying to as many recruiters as possible. - just a thought ?  |
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Radius
Joined: 20 Dec 2009
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Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2010 7:24 pm Post subject: |
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you see, its posts like these that peole are creating threads such as "is the Sky Falling?" Many many people berated him and told him to stop worrying, but the truth is America is crashing HARD. BIG TIME. I just read an article that for a teaching position in NY had over 1000 applicants and the principal had to close his office door to stop people from walking in and handing him their resume. He said he was getting resumes from people all over the country. He never seen anything like it. Face it, Once the word REALLY gets out about Korea and ESL teaching, you will see a new disgusting and mutated beast evolve. you think its bad now...just wait. I am not a scare mongerer, but i can read the air, and somethings reeks of a global jobless disaster. I feel bad for those without teaching degrees, because they will probably be the first ones cut out of teaching abraod. Im just interested to see what people will do after Korea closes the door.  |
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Hotwire
Joined: 29 Aug 2010 Location: Multiverse
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Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2010 7:36 pm Post subject: |
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Exactly. But the wilfuly naive will never be convinced until it happens to them. Then they'll deny / repress / project / distort the knowledge anyway and pretend it didn't happen like it did and go back about their lives...
The whip is going to be cracked harder, no doubt about it. I was not scaremongering at all. I have even been told and I believe quoted emails in my sky falling thread from recruiters TELLING ME SO!
It's not about targeting resumes etc. Good Lord I have a fantastic resume and cover letters. Then I get a phone interview and the person who I sent the resume and tailored CL to hasn't even bothered to read it and asks me all over again where I'm from and what uni I went to etc!
I suppose I must be imagining this. Junior too... (found a job yet Junior?) I mean if during the past 5 years I have been turning jobs down like mad and still being offered them months after my new job has started but this year I suddenly cannot get even barely an email reply from a recruiter and when I do it's them SAYING TO ME that schools do not want experienced teachers and they want new teachers for low salaries - does that not tell you something? I know you want to think it's me and that I'm a thicko layabout with a shoddy resume and pizza down my shirt in my pic etc, but it's simply not the case.
You guys saying this stuff live in a fantasy world. The only tailoring you need to do is work on saying yes sir no sir and working on your barney the dinosaur impression. (or having an F visa.) |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Location: Retired
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Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2010 9:31 pm Post subject: |
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Hotwire wrote: |
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Exactly. But the wilfuly naive will never be convinced until it happens to them. Then they'll deny / repress / project / distort the knowledge anyway and pretend it didn't happen like it did and go back about their lives...
The whip is going to be cracked harder, no doubt about it. I was not scaremongering at all. I have even been told and I believe quoted emails in my sky falling thread from recruiters TELLING ME SO!
It's not about targeting resumes etc. Good Lord I have a fantastic resume and cover letters. Then I get a phone interview and the person who I sent the resume and tailored CL to hasn't even bothered to read it and asks me all over again where I'm from and what uni I went to etc!
I suppose I must be imagining this. Junior too... (found a job yet Junior?) I mean if during the past 5 years I have been turning jobs down like mad and still being offered them months after my new job has started but this year I suddenly cannot get even barely an email reply from a recruiter and when I do it's them SAYING TO ME that schools do not want experienced teachers and they want new teachers for low salaries - does that not tell you something? I know you want to think it's me and that I'm a thicko layabout with a shoddy resume and pizza down my shirt in my pic etc, but it's simply not the case.
You guys saying this stuff live in a fantasy world. The only tailoring you need to do is work on saying yes sir no sir and working on your barney the dinosaur impression. (or having an F visa.) |
Then why can many of us (who DON'T have F-visas) find jobs?
Heck I posted my resume about 2 months ago ( I'm employed, it was just to see what was out there). I got 8 (that's eight replies). And I'm experienced, the wrong side of 30, male and hold an E-2 visa.
If you "cannot get even barely an email reply from a recruiter" then something is going on. If it is not you, then what is it? And why are other people (despite not being blonde, young, female and North American) getting jobs? |
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vaticanhotline
Joined: 18 Jun 2009 Location: in the most decent sometimes sun
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Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2010 10:01 pm Post subject: |
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I'm inclined to agree with the Urban Myth. There are plenty of newbies here that are fresh out of college, from places other than the States. The job market is a little tighter, for sure, but this sky falling in crap is nonsense. |
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