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drydell
Joined: 01 Oct 2009
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| The Happy Warrior wrote: |
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| is blatantly 100% biased towards her OWN chosen dietry lifestyle... |
Says the OP . . .
Here's an article saying Atkins got it half-right.
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So what does meat have that plants don't? �Saturated fat and heme-iron are very high in red meat and processed meat,� said Hu, adding that colorectal cancer was the most common fatal cancer affecting the subjects of his study. Despite this observation, there is no known link between saturated fat, heme-iron and colorectal cancer and Hu added that it was very hard to single out one factor that could be responsible for the association.
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Sounds to me like we should remove processed meat from the diet, which is exactly what I'm advocating. It also sounds to me like you are taking that scientific study and over-reaching from its modest conclusions.
Increased cancer and heart-disease is precisely what I'd expect from consuming processed meats. |
this article is useful (thanks)..because it give the exact stats of the original survey...
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Dieters who consumed mostly animal fats and proteins were 23% more likely to die over the course of the study than their counterparts in the general population, with a 14% increased risk of dying from heart disease and a 28% increased risk of dying from cancer.
Meanwhile, participants who followed the plant-based diet, which is naturally lower in fat and saturated fat, had a 20% decreased risk of dying than the general public, with a 23% decrease in risk of fatal heart disease. |
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drydell
Joined: 01 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2010 8:41 am Post subject: |
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| The Happy Warrior wrote: |
| drydell wrote: |
| is blatantly 100% biased towards her OWN chosen dietry lifestyle... |
Says the OP . . .
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if she submits to peer review and accepts the results I will accept I was wrong...... (don't hold your breath)... |
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harryh
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: south of Seoul
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| Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2010 6:32 pm Post subject: |
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Hi Harryh...
i'm reading exactly the stuff you did- I'm really glad the diet worked for you - and that's why i'm just furious at the internet disinformation by the low-carb people when they rubbish the diet you're doing -that's the reason for this post in the first place ...the diet's been proven to reverse heart disease in so many studies...good for you!
I'm trying to reduce the cooking oils/salad dressings myself but that's the hardest part of the diet....did you manage to go as strict as Esselstyn says? I can imagine it's really hard...[/quote]
I use a little oil now and again, but have drastically lowered the amount I had previously used. Many moons ago I used to use Extra Virgin Olive oil, and thought like I guess many do, 'that it may help lower cholesterol' (often read on the internet). How wrong I was!
Oil is fat, plain and simple. 14% saturated fat in EVO oil, so I changed to Canola, which has much less. For the most part though, when I have to fry I use garlic puree with water, as suggested by Joel Fuhrman.
Most of my 'weakness' comes from when I'm eating out, visiting friends etc, when I eat a little chicken among other baddies, but I don't eat out as often as I once did. My old ticker has to take priority these days. I have things pretty nailed on at home, and it isn't difficult to do really, as there are some very good recipes in the books.
If I looked back ten years, I thought that a vegan style of diet would have meant beans and not too much else, but I thought incorrectly.
A salad dressing I use is 'Fountain Salad Master Herb and Garlic Low Fat cholesterol Free', or I make my own. |
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Kwangjuchicken
Joined: 01 Sep 2003
Location: I was abducted by aliens on my way to Korea and forced to be an EFL teacher on this crazy planet.
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| Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2010 8:22 pm Post subject: |
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Eating much peanut butter will keep you young looking. Look at all the peanut butter American kids eat. And they all look very young. COINCIDENCE? I think not.
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NYC_Gal
Joined: 08 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2010 9:59 pm Post subject: |
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| I love peanut butter. I wish there was a place I could get the fresh stuff, though. |
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DorkothyParker
Joined: 11 Apr 2009
Location: Jeju
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| Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2010 3:13 am Post subject: |
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| Yeah, I'm pretty sure I would murder a hobo for some fresh almond butter about now. |
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NYC_Gal
Joined: 08 Dec 2009
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UknowsI
Joined: 16 Apr 2009
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| Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2010 12:27 am Post subject: |
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| I usually eat 현미 (full grain rice) cereal for breakfast. It's got around 8% dietary fibre and little sugar. It's not super-healthy or anything, but it fills you up really fast and must be much healthier than your regular Corn Flakes or SugarCoatedChocolateCereal. The one I eat boast that it contains 7 types of grain. I believe diversification is healthy, so that advertisement tricks me easily.The healthy grain cereals I ate back home used to be around 13-15% fibre, so it's not close to that, but I like it anyway. |
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NYC_Gal
Joined: 08 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2010 1:55 am Post subject: |
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| E-mart started stocking Dorset Muesli again. The blue box costs less than the others (less dried fruit) and it's got BRAZIL NUTS! |
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guava
Joined: 02 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2010 4:33 am Post subject: |
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| harryh wrote: |
Oil is fat, plain and simple. 14% saturated fat in EVO oil, so I changed to Canola, which has much less. |
Food for thought about canola (canada oil)...
Canola Oil is Another Victory of Food Technology over Common Sense
http://www.naturalnews.com/026365_canola_oil_food_health.html
"These studies all point in the same directions, that canola oil is definitely not healthy for the cardiovascular system. Like rapeseed oil, its predecessor, canola oil is associated with fibrotic lesions of the heart. It also causes vitamin E deficiency, undesirable changes in the blood platelets, and shortened life-span in stoke-prone rats when it was the only oil in the animals' diet. Furthermore, it seems to retard growth which is why the FDA does not allow the use of canola oil in infant formula."
Canola Oil is a Classic Example of Food Fraud
http://www.naturalnews.com/029516_canola_oil_fraud.html
Various tests came up with previously unforeseen and unannounced health hazards. One example is when piglets were fed a formula using Canola oil, their vitamin E was reduced to dangerous levels, and their blood platelets became sticky, impeding blood flow. And this is what is promoted as a heart healthy oil?
Canola Oil: There is the Good, the Bad and the Ugly
http://www.naturalnews.com/026630_oil_canola_olive.html
In addition to the genetic modification, the process of making Canola oil is troubling. The procedure involves a combination of high-temperature mechanical pressing and solvent extract, usually using hexane. Hexane! Even after considerable refining, traces of the solvent remain. Like most vegetable oils, Canola oil also goes through the process of bleaching, degumming, deodorizing, and caustic refining, at very high temperatures. This process can alter the omega-3 content in the oil, and in certain conditions bring the trans fat level as high as 40 percent.
Four articles about canola...
Canola - Canada's Oil Spill Onto The American Market
FRANKENCROPS AND BIODEVASTATION: CANOLA AND OTHER GENETICALLY ENGINEERED FOODS
The Health Effects Of Canola Oil - None Dare Call It Rape
Canola Oil - Is It Safe? Evidence Points To BIG Trouble
http://www.quantumbalancing.com/news/canola.htm |
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NYC_Gal
Joined: 08 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2010 5:30 am Post subject: |
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| You need fat in your diet. You can't live without it. Just be smart about where you get it. |
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The Happy Warrior
Joined: 10 Feb 2010
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| Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2010 10:35 am Post subject: |
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| NYC_Gal wrote: |
| You need fat in your diet. You can't live without it. Just be smart about where you get it. |
Don't get it from carbs. |
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NYC_Gal
Joined: 08 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2010 3:55 pm Post subject: |
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I said in your diet, not from your diet.
Nuts, seeds, fish, etc... |
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Hotwire
Joined: 29 Aug 2010
Location: Multiverse
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| Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2010 7:54 pm Post subject: |
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Gah.
My gandad has a fry up every morning with the lard and bacon fat left in the pan drizzled over fried bread as a kind of breakfast dessert...
Smoked and drank daily and still does going strong at the ripe old age of 90!
And he fought the Jerries and Ities in the war! |
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Sector7G
Joined: 24 May 2008
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| Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 2:22 am Post subject: |
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Gah.
My gandad has a fry up every morning with the lard and bacon fat left in the pan drizzled over fried bread as a kind of breakfast dessert...
Smoked and drank daily and still does going strong at the ripe old age of 90!
And he fought the Jerries and Ities in the war! |
Yeah, and on the flip side of this there are those who never smoke or drink and eat the perfect diet but die of a heart attack at age 40. But both of these examples are exceptions to the rule. For the vast majority of people, diet plays a big part in health and longevity. And if not longevity, at least quality. |
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