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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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Oh, another bit of Christian misogyny...
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Ephesians 5:22-24 Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.
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Wives, submit to your husbands in everything! |
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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| Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 5:37 pm Post subject: |
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Oh, and naughty Christians who don't do what they are told...watch out. God will send wild animals to eat your children.
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Leviticus 26:18-26 � �If after all this you will not listen to me, I will punish you for your sins seven times over. I will break down your stubborn pride and make the sky above you like iron and the ground beneath you like bronze. Your strength will be spent in vain, because your soil will not yield its crops, nor will the trees of the land yield their fruit.
� �If you remain hostile toward me and refuse to listen to me, I will multiply your afflictions seven times over, as your sins deserve. I will send wild animals against you, and they will rob you of your children, destroy your cattle and make you so few in number that your roads will be deserted.
� �If in spite of these things you do not accept my correction but continue to be hostile toward me, I myself will be hostile toward you and will afflict you for your sins seven times over. And I will bring the sword upon you to avenge the breaking of the covenant. When you withdraw into your cities, I will send a plague among you, and you will be given into enemy hands. When I cut off your supply of bread, ten women will be able to bake your bread in one oven, and they will dole out the bread by weight. You will eat, but you will not be satisfied.
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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| Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 5:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Most educated muslims, just like Christians, don't take their Holy Book seriously. |
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The Happy Warrior
Joined: 10 Feb 2010
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| Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 7:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Big_Bird wrote: |
| Most educated muslims, just like Christians, don't take their Holy Book seriously. |
I wouldn't put it that way.
Especially considering that the Bible and the Qu'ran have one important difference. The Qu'ran is the word of God. The Bible is merely divinely inspired. |
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Kimbop
Joined: 31 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 9:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Big_Bird wrote: |
| Most educated muslims, just like Christians, don't take their Holy Book seriously. |
Oh, thank goodness for your moderate muslims!
http://www.aolnews.com/surge-desk/article/molly-norris-artist-behind-everybody-draw-mohammed-day-goes-into-hiding/19635192
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| At the urging of the FBI, Molly Norris, the Seattle-based illustrator and cartoonist whose satirical drawing marking "Everybody Draw Mohammad Day" resulted in death threats, global protests and impassioned debate about religion and censorship, has been forced to change her name and abandon her former life as a result of her controversial cartoon. |
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tiger fancini
Joined: 21 Mar 2006
Location: Testicles for Eyes
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| Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 9:51 pm Post subject: |
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I will never understand why a disproportionate number of Muslims respond so intemperately to the actions of such insignificant people who represent so few. |
It is baffling. As tolerant as I try to be, and as much as I try to give people the benefit of the doubt, this always confuses the cr@p out of me.
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| Westerners shouldn't stop burning books out of fear of Muslim riots. We should stop burning books because it's beneath our dignity. If and when it does happen, it should be quietly ignored, not condemned, especially since a fair portion of the motive for such actions is trying to get attention in the first place. |
Quite right. It would be fair to give some blame to the media for any violence that comes from this particular episode. |
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chellovek
Joined: 29 Feb 2008
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| Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 10:12 pm Post subject: |
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| tiger fancini wrote: |
| Gwangjuboy wrote: |
I will never understand why a disproportionate number of Muslims respond so intemperately to the actions of such insignificant people who represent so few. |
It is baffling. As tolerant as I try to be, and as much as I try to give people the benefit of the doubt, this always confuses the cr@p out of me.
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| Westerners shouldn't stop burning books out of fear of Muslim riots. We should stop burning books because it's beneath our dignity. If and when it does happen, it should be quietly ignored, not condemned, especially since a fair portion of the motive for such actions is trying to get attention in the first place. |
Quite right. It would be fair to give some blame to the media for any violence that comes from this particular episode. |
Yes, yes, yes, and yes. |
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Leon
Joined: 31 May 2010
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| Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 4:25 am Post subject: |
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| tiger fancini wrote: |
| Gwangjuboy wrote: |
I will never understand why a disproportionate number of Muslims respond so intemperately to the actions of such insignificant people who represent so few. |
It is baffling. As tolerant as I try to be, and as much as I try to give people the benefit of the doubt, this always confuses the cr@p out of me. |
Think of the response from the media, and think of how many people in America have been voicing approval. Think of all of the dead Muslims due to our engagement in the region. How are you confused? |
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tiger fancini
Joined: 21 Mar 2006
Location: Testicles for Eyes
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| Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 6:52 am Post subject: |
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| Leon wrote: |
| tiger fancini wrote: |
| Gwangjuboy wrote: |
I will never understand why a disproportionate number of Muslims respond so intemperately to the actions of such insignificant people who represent so few. |
It is baffling. As tolerant as I try to be, and as much as I try to give people the benefit of the doubt, this always confuses the cr@p out of me. |
Think of the response from the media, and think of how many people in America have been voicing approval. |
The response from the media, and the approval of a number of people does not warrant death threats. People are entitled to have an opinion, however stupid it may be.
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| Think of all of the dead Muslims due to our engagement in the region. How are you confused? |
The issue here is the Muslim reaction to an insignificant hick preacher. Not the engagement of Western military forces in Muslim countries. |
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IMF crisis
Joined: 27 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 3:11 pm Post subject: Re: Koran burning |
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| Saudi's are being pretty consistent with teachings of the Koran. |
Are they? A lot of Islamic scholars would disagree. The Wahabists have a very extreme and severe (and many would say) warped interpretation of the Koran. I know Saudis who are devout muslims, but not Wahabists, who really detest living under Wahabi rule.
They killed a lot of people when they first began their horrid cult a few hundred years ago, and destroyed many buildings or relics associated with the Prophet because they confused loving the Prophet with worshipping the Prophet. They killed many descendents of the Prophet while they were at it. Nutters. And they were hated by their contempories who considered them a dangerous and crazy cult.
They've also ignored Jesus's reprimand to those who "know the letter of the law" but have forgotton "the message of the law." |
killing apostates = consistent Qu'ran
This is why I shudder when people call things like this EXTREME when it's not EXTREME at all, it's just part of the norm for Islam. Cutting off hands for theft is not extremist, that's just good ol' Islam hard at work.
There is a lot apologetic Muslims always claiming Islam is a religion of peace but the evidence seems to be contrary. |
Well, according to the Christian bible, if a woman claims to have been raped in the city, she should be stoned to death.
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Deuteronomy 22:23-24 If a man happens to meet in a town a virgin pledged to be married and he sleeps with her, you shall take both of them to the gate of that town and stone them to death�the girl because she was in a town and did not scream for help, and the man because he violated another man's wife. You must purge the evil from among you.
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Of course if she is raped in the country, there's no need to stone her:
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| 25 But if out in the country a man happens to meet a girl pledged to be married and rapes her, only the man who has done this shall die. 26 Do nothing to the girl; she has committed no sin deserving death. This case is like that of someone who attacks and murders his neighbor, 27 for the man found the girl out in the country, and though the betrothed girl screamed, there was no one to rescue her. |
So I take it all Christians are extremist loons, then? |
No not all Christians, just the ones who actually stone people. Do you have any links of this occurring in the last 20 years or so? If not, I think your attempt to compare Muslim beliefs with Jewish or Christian beliefs doesn't have the effect you'd hoped. Those verses from the Old Testament are not followed to the letter by any Jews or Christians as far as I know. |
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Wai Mian
Joined: 03 Sep 2010
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| Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 3:21 pm Post subject: |
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I think that, on their face, any Holy Book is pretty whacko, or at least close enough to not matter a great deal. The difference is the societies in which the ideas propogated by these Books have incubated, and the social ramifications of the 'churches' founded on these books.
Most of Sunni Islam lacks the hierarchy necessary for a true Reformation of thought. As an added minus, a great deal of the Muslim Brotherhood's philosophy is based on one Sayid Qutb, who aped Romantic motifs (including a strong Wertherian desire for romantic death) without ever actually gleaning any necessary insight that would have been possible by going through an initial process of an Enlightenment, which is what the Romantics were reacting to. |
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Leon
Joined: 31 May 2010
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| Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 5:13 pm Post subject: |
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| tiger fancini wrote: |
| Leon wrote: |
| tiger fancini wrote: |
| Gwangjuboy wrote: |
I will never understand why a disproportionate number of Muslims respond so intemperately to the actions of such insignificant people who represent so few. |
It is baffling. As tolerant as I try to be, and as much as I try to give people the benefit of the doubt, this always confuses the cr@p out of me. |
Think of the response from the media, and think of how many people in America have been voicing approval. |
The response from the media, and the approval of a number of people does not warrant death threats. People are entitled to have an opinion, however stupid it may be.
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| Think of all of the dead Muslims due to our engagement in the region. How are you confused? |
The issue here is the Muslim reaction to an insignificant hick preacher. Not the engagement of Western military forces in Muslim countries. |
You can't see how the two are interconnected? When your people are being killed by the thousands it tends to make extra sensitive about the culture doing the killing. |
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tiger fancini
Joined: 21 Mar 2006
Location: Testicles for Eyes
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| Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 8:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Leon wrote: |
| tiger fancini wrote: |
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| tiger fancini wrote: |
| Gwangjuboy wrote: |
I will never understand why a disproportionate number of Muslims respond so intemperately to the actions of such insignificant people who represent so few. |
It is baffling. As tolerant as I try to be, and as much as I try to give people the benefit of the doubt, this always confuses the cr@p out of me. |
Think of the response from the media, and think of how many people in America have been voicing approval. |
The response from the media, and the approval of a number of people does not warrant death threats. People are entitled to have an opinion, however stupid it may be.
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| Think of all of the dead Muslims due to our engagement in the region. How are you confused? |
The issue here is the Muslim reaction to an insignificant hick preacher. Not the engagement of Western military forces in Muslim countries. |
You can't see how the two are interconnected? When your people are being killed by the thousands it tends to make extra sensitive about the culture doing the killing. |
Rational people can usually distinguish the bad guys from the good. Following 9/11, I'm sure plenty of Americans didn't want to declare war on Islam. After 7/7 in London, I didn't suddenly decide that all of my Muslim friends and colleagues were deserving of death.
My point Leon is that the general reaction of Muslims is over the top. Think Danish cartoonists. Think South Park. Now this. I know that these Muslims don't represent ALL Muslims, so therefore the Moderate Muslims need to come out and say their piece. That would certainly quell a lot of my personal anxiety about Islam these days. |
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T-J
Joined: 10 Oct 2008
Location: Seoul EunpyungGu Yeonsinnae
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| Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 2:58 am Post subject: |
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| Kimbop wrote: |
| Big_Bird wrote: |
| Most educated muslims, just like Christians, don't take their Holy Book seriously. |
Oh, thank goodness for your moderate muslims!
http://www.aolnews.com/surge-desk/article/molly-norris-artist-behind-everybody-draw-mohammed-day-goes-into-hiding/19635192
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| At the urging of the FBI, Molly Norris, the Seattle-based illustrator and cartoonist whose satirical drawing marking "Everybody Draw Mohammad Day" resulted in death threats, global protests and impassioned debate about religion and censorship, has been forced to change her name and abandon her former life as a result of her controversial cartoon. |
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This needs repeating. |
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T-J
Joined: 10 Oct 2008
Location: Seoul EunpyungGu Yeonsinnae
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| Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 3:00 am Post subject: |
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| Leon wrote: |
Think of all of the dead Muslims due to our engagement in the region.
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I think it's a good start. |
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