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Hotwire
Joined: 29 Aug 2010
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 Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 6:42 pm Post subject: |
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| mises wrote: |
| Leon wrote: |
| Konglishman wrote: |
| Leon wrote: |
| Some people on the board are more upset about this than the people who are actually going to pay the $14. |
When I think about the actual countries that I had to pay at the border entry points to enter... Indonesia and Laos, I have to ask the question. Are those the sort of countries that I want to compare my country to? |
Oh, I see what you mean. Indonesia does have much nicer beaches, it might be more worth the $10 you have to pay to get in. |
Florida Keys?
14bucks isn't a big deal. I assume they're charging upon physical entrance? I dislike that system. Just include it in the air ticket. |
Is it not less cynical to oopenly declare it rather than try to hide it behind higher ticket prices. At least they're being upfront about it.
Though I do hope the rest of the world responds in kind carging entry for Americans visiting those countries to whose citizens they will be applying this entry charge to! |
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Hotwire
Joined: 29 Aug 2010
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| Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 8:50 pm Post subject: Re: America will charge it's most closest allies an entry fe |
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| Captain Corea wrote: |
| Hotwire wrote: |
| Captain Corea wrote: |
| Patrick Bateman wrote: |
Countries act out of self interest. Countries aren't friends. |
i wish more people would use this line of thinking. |
Except for that fact that it's not completely true.
For example.
Two countries act out of mutual self interest. Said mutual actions lead to a reccurance of said countries acting out of mutual interest in the future. Thus a relationship has been established. This relationship continues for X ammount of time and often leads to the two countries being more closer tied than before and generally acting in the international community for mutual interest / benefit. Said countries also share possibly; a language, culture, perspective and viewpoint. They grow perhaps to have a long history of their mutual interests being very closely linked.
We can see this in blocs such as NATO / Warsaw etc. Or in the Us / UK or China / NK relationship in some aspects.
Very simmilar to friendships in my opinion.
Shared interest, shared sense of history, common bonds of language, culture and a shared history over decades or centuries.
Thoughts? |
When people use the term 'friend', they are often talking about an emotional bond. Country A and B are deemed 'friends' because of many of the points you've listed above.
But as soon as one of them pushes in a different direction due to other factors, the emotion of betrayal is brought into the mix.
I'm fine with calling nations 'allies', or 'partners in _____' - but 'friends' seems like too much Anthropomorphism. |
Same goes with regards to friends pushing towards different directions. Categorically the link is strong. To save going deconstructionist and declaring that none of the terms means anything, we have to indeed agree that the term 'friend' is usable in this instance.
Calling nations friends is not striclty Athropomrphism either, seeing as nations are made up of PEOPLE. |
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Captain Corea
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| Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 10:28 pm Post subject: |
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So are companies. So are baseball teams. Do we call them friends as well?
Like it or ot, a country is not soely made by people - there are far more institutions, interests and establishments at play. |
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Hotwire
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| Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 11:03 pm Post subject: |
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^^^
All made up of people. |
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Patrick Bateman
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| Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 11:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Hotwire wrote: |
^^^
All made up of people. |
Yes, institutions created by and for humans are also made up of humans. That still doesn't mean they can be friends.
By that logic countries can also go to the bathroom. After all, people can go to the bathroom, countries are made up of people, therefore countries can go to the bathroom. |
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thomas pars
Joined: 29 Jan 2009
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| Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2010 2:24 am Post subject: |
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all other countries do this.
they just add it to your plane ticket so you won't notice.
How much?
UK charges close to 100 bucks.
So for 14 consider yourself lucky. |
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Captain Corea
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| Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2010 4:20 am Post subject: |
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| Hotwire wrote: |
^^^
All made up of people. |
So, are certain teams 'friends'? What about companies? Are there companies that are friends?
How about lovers?
Is the IRS and Customs romantically involved?
At what point do you stop assigning human characteristics to institutions and entities? |
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Man on Street
Joined: 28 Aug 2010
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| Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2010 4:53 am Post subject: |
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| Captain Corea wrote: |
| Hotwire wrote: |
^^^
All made up of people. |
So, are certain teams 'friends'? What about companies? Are there companies that are friends?
How about lovers?
Is the IRS and Customs romantically involved?
At what point do you stop assigning human characteristics to institutions and entities? |
Well, to be fair, the phrase
"Company A was in bed with Company B" is sometimes used along with
"Cuba (for example) was in bed with the Russians (for example)" |
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Captain Corea
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| Posted: Sun Sep 12, 2010 2:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Sure, prases are one thing. But do we actually picture them as lovers? That's my whole point about using the term 'friend'. We use it so often, we attach undue emotion to it. |
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young_clinton
Joined: 09 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 4:35 am Post subject: |
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| Leon wrote: |
| Konglishman wrote: |
| Leon wrote: |
| Some people on the board are more upset about this than the people who are actually going to pay the $14. |
When I think about the actual countries that I had to pay at the border entry points to enter... Indonesia and Laos, I have to ask the question. Are those the sort of countries that I want to compare my country to? |
Oh, I see what you mean. Indonesia does have much nicer beaches, it might be more worth the $10 you have to pay to get in. |
I guarantee you the $10 doesn't go to the beaches. It goes into the pockets of the immigration and other corrupt officials. Anyhow I
pay $50 dollars to get into Indonesia and the last time I went there I paid a lot more because I arrived without dollars in my possession, and so began the extortion.
That place is a cesspool, I feel very sorry for the average indonesian just trying to stay alive. I don't want my country looking anything like that.
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young_clinton
Joined: 09 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 4:37 am Post subject: |
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| thomas pars wrote: |
all other countries do this.
they just add it to your plane ticket so you won't notice.
How much?
UK charges close to 100 bucks.
So for 14 consider yourself lucky. |
They generally add airport exit fees to your ticket, not visa fees because not everybody arrives by plane |
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Leon
Joined: 31 May 2010
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| Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 4:52 am Post subject: |
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| young_clinton wrote: |
| Leon wrote: |
| Konglishman wrote: |
| Leon wrote: |
| Some people on the board are more upset about this than the people who are actually going to pay the $14. |
When I think about the actual countries that I had to pay at the border entry points to enter... Indonesia and Laos, I have to ask the question. Are those the sort of countries that I want to compare my country to? |
Oh, I see what you mean. Indonesia does have much nicer beaches, it might be more worth the $10 you have to pay to get in. |
I guarantee you the $10 doesn't go to the beaches. It goes into the pockets of the immigration and other corrupt officials. Anyhow I
pay $50 dollars to get into Indonesia and the last time I went there I paid a lot more because I arrived without dollars in my possession, and so began the extortion.
That place is a cesspool, I feel very sorry for the average indonesian just trying to stay alive. I don't want my country looking anything like that. |
Oh I know. When I worked in Singapore sometimes I would go to Indonesia for business. One time my boss lost my exit card and I had to bribe an immigration official $30 to get out. |
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young_clinton
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I lost my exit card too. I lost it in Bali. The immigration officials brusquely pointed to the sign in front of the immigration check point. The sign had something about the exit card. It was all of a sudden like a big offense and then the extortion started. It cost me 30 dollars too.
They don't staple the exit cards to the passport like Thailand does. Probably so they can make the extra cash. |
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Leon
Joined: 31 May 2010
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| Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 11:18 pm Post subject: |
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| young_clinton wrote: |
I lost my exit card too. I lost it in Bali. The immigration officials brusquely pointed to the sign in front of the immigration check point. The sign had something about the exit card. It was all of a sudden like a big offense and then the extortion started. It cost me 30 dollars too.
They don't staple the exit cards to the passport like Thailand does. Probably so they can make the extra cash. |
Did they take you into a little room? That was the worst part of the whole thing, especially since I almost missed my ferry. |
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Wai Mian
Joined: 03 Sep 2010
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| Posted: Sat Sep 18, 2010 5:12 am Post subject: |
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| Patrick Bateman wrote: |
By that logic countries can also go to the bathroom. |
I totes lol'd! |
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