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The Man known as The Man
Joined: 29 Mar 2003
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 Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2004 4:43 pm Post subject: Re: Finding a job.... |
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| Ben Glickman wrote: |
As a recruiter- if someone applied to my company and I found out that they were posting their resume everywhere, I would not be inclined to work with them to find them employment. When people apply to us and the e-mail is addressed to many schools/recruiters at the same time, I usually don't respond.
You might have better luck applying to one school or recruiter at a time. |
That's good to know. |
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Gord
Joined: 25 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2004 6:46 pm Post subject: |
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| inexhile wrote: |
| The difference with walmart is you know exactly what lies ahead. |
The simple fact they are being sued ways from Tuesday for labour violations, ranging from simple unpaid overtime to unlawful forced confinement, would suggest this statement is not correct.
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| Hogwans, their curriculums and their directors are extremely variant. I think it is very important to get imput from a former or current teacher. A 1 year contract is a long time if you are not happy and being treated with disregard. I was happy to answer questions from potential foreign teachers at my old Hogwan, and I included all negatives as well as the many positives. I too value my privacy but didn't think it was a privacy issue, I saw it as part of my job. |
So you are saying that your wanting to know overrides the privacy concerns of others? I'm not saying it's a problem to ask to speak to a teacher when they are at work, since they are on the payroll at the time. But to start requesting private contact information on how to reach them crosses all sorts of imaginary lines.
Let's say I wanted to head up to northern Canada to work on an oil project. You don't see people asking for the personal contact information of people working up there already. To start asking for the private contact information of others would be madness. |
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inexhile
Joined: 18 Feb 2003
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I think you are completely overstating the issue here Gord, or maybe its just a case of different strokes.
I personally don't give a toss if my email is given to ask questions concerning the school or more likely about the living conditions and 'foreigner scene', I actually like helping people out with their concerns, gee I must be a nutbar, and you still have a choice whether you open it or respond to it.
The school I am going to advertises the teachers emails on their web site. I'm sure the teachers don't have issue with this.
If you do a search and look up any newbies asking advice the 1st thing people say is "talk to someone already there": Its the golden rule, hogwon job hunting 101.
I lived in Pohang for 1 year and even though it is a mere microcosmos of the esl scene, I saw alot of people burnt or unhappy because they didn't follow this simple rule. Issues like forced to live with their directors, no pay, forced Saturdays even though the contract stated otherwise.
I'm happy for you Gord if you have great job and all is honkydory in Gordland. Unlike the oil business, the reality is that the esl industry in Korea operates from both ends of the professional spectrum, and you have very little room for recourse if things aren't as you perceived. |
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Derrek
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2004 7:12 pm Post subject: Re: why can't I get a job? |
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| Kwangjuchicken wrote: |
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Its true!!! I have been trying online for 2 months. Yes, I have posted my resume on 20 sites, sometimes weekly or more in forums like Daves. I have 1 years experience and have the look that Koreans like.
My stipulations are not fussy or unrealistic (single housing, no kindy). Location is important however and I'm looking for a big city, preferably Pusan.
There are many recruiters in pusan and they keep offering me jobs in Ulsan or other nearby cities, the jobs they offer in Pusan are always not quite right i.e. low pay, ambiguous hours. I'm guessing there is just a huge backlog of teachers wanting to go there or the ones there don't want to leave.
Its getting frustrating though as I am living off savings, and just can't work it out. I thought I'd be snapped up in a week. A recruiter told me that there is a recession there now so schools are looking to employ from inside korea to cut costs etc. 1 job said they would employ me if I paid my airfare.
Its a shame Dave has introduced the pay for viewing resumes. Although completely understandable, it is now only the big recruiters who do so. When I started looking for my 1st contract almost 2 years ago, I got lots of offers from quirky independent hogwons that would throw in gym membership, tae kwon do lessons, cooking and language lessons, a free motobike or car. 1 job back then even stated that there was a tequila bar in the same building as a job perk.
Sorry for the rant, but life sucks when you are living day to day and everyone is incessantly asking when you are leaving. |
Forth, Even if it is free, few employers read internet posted resumes. Back when they were free to read at this site, there was a record of view counts of the reusmes. That is, how many people had read a particular resume. My school wanted me to pick a teacher from those resumes. From the newest to the oldest, most had had ZERO views.
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Sorry, this is wrong advice, according to my experience. My best leads came from posting my resume on different boards, including English Spectrum and I think, Worknplay.
It used to be as you said ... only recuriters called me. But this year, a lot of schools are hard-up and don't want to pay for ads, so they search the resumes. I still get calls from the resumes I posted 1 1/2 months ago... wish I could figure out where they all are now, and delete them!
I got this high school job because my boss searched resumes and called me. |
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Derrek
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2004 7:22 pm Post subject: Re: Finding a job.... |
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| The Man known as The Man wrote: |
| Ben Glickman wrote: |
As a recruiter- if someone applied to my company and I found out that they were posting their resume everywhere, I would not be inclined to work with them to find them employment. When people apply to us and the e-mail is addressed to many schools/recruiters at the same time, I usually don't respond.
You might have better luck applying to one school or recruiter at a time. |
That's good to know. |
I'm sorry, but this is crap. Absolute crap.
This has to be the dumbest post I've read on Dave's in months. Sounds like what every recruiter dreams of, but doesn't happen because people aren't that stupid.
If you call a recruiter, and he/she thinks they can place you, then they will try. Why would they miss the chance at making another million won?
If you meet their criteria, they will call. If you're that stupid and picky as a recruiter, then you aren't getting jobs for many people. Only jobs for the suckers who are back in their own country and don't know any better. And spare me any of the, "I am reputable and only hire 'X' type of teacher" crap. I guarentee you, if you truly are as you say you are, and super-teacher 'X' contacts you about job openings -- you'll try to place them whether they have resumes posted around or not.
Job Seekers: The rule is, if you want to keep your options open and find the best job you can, you need to work hard -- checking ads daily. Wrting to recruiters and posting your resume is important. Post and re-post a few days later to make sure you're near the top of the pile. You have to work at finding the good jobs here, in many cases.
Only an idiot relies on a recruiter alone to find them a job. That's how you get stuck with the Wonderlands and SLP's of Korea.
And if a recruiter wants to argue that they aren't going to work for you if you're posting resumes all over, then that recruiter is a lazy and/or egotistical bum who won't be recruiting for long. Recruiters are a dime-a-dozen here. |
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just because
Joined: 01 Aug 2003
Location: Changwon - 4964
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| Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2004 7:30 pm Post subject: |
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Definantly agree with Derrek.
Only an idiot would deal with one recruiter at a time in this country when looking for a teaching job. The only good thing about recruiters is that you can have 10 of them looking for you at once. They will often find the same job but anyone, at least they are doing your legwork.
Ben Glickman,
I don't know what kind of recruiting agency you operate but if it is the same as every other one here then you are deluding yourself. I can assure you 99% of the people who apply for your recruiting agency are applying for all of them.
What sets you apart that makes you such a special case?????? |
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