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sparkx
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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 Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2004 2:56 am Post subject: |
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I've jumped into a few threads to express my opinion on korean hypocrisy (the one thing that still and will always burn my ass here). That being said, here is my favorite example of foreigner hypocrisy.
White-e whiner - K-girls are ok but they're just too materialistic and money hungry for my liking.
*Posted in another thread a week later*
Question - Why do you stay in Korea?
White-e whiner - For the money.
There's nothing worse than a delusional wannabe iconoclast that can't even recognize their own greed and shallowness. |
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rapier
Joined: 16 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2004 3:51 am Post subject: |
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I've jumped into a few threads to express my opinion on korean hypocrisy (the one thing that still and will always burn my ass here). That being said, here is my favorite example of foreigner hypocrisy.
White-e whiner - K-girls are ok but they're just too materialistic and money hungry for my liking.
*Posted in another thread a week later*
Question - Why do you stay in Korea?
White-e whiner - For the money. |
Its the delusional iconoclast here! I suppose i see your point, to a degree..
I'm money hungry in the sense that it will buy me experiences, travel, and knowledge...
They're money hungry in that it'll buy them a better car and TV.
I believe there's a difference.
I'm happy with "enough". they want much more....Aratchi?
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dutchman
Joined: 23 Jan 2003
Location: My backyard
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| Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2004 4:28 am Post subject: Re: Why stay if you hate it so....? |
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I have often wondered why Hank (Hank is a guy I know in Busan who has been here since 1995) who hates Korea with a passion, refers to Koreans as "slope heads" or "Gooks", does not speak a word of Korean and constantly whines, stays here in Korea.
Hank is not old. He is a certified teacher who could work anywhere in the world. He says Canada is so much better then Korea yet year after year he remains.
Its a bloody mystery...anyone got a light to shed on this one? |
Maybe he stays because he likes you so much. Or maybe he says those things because he gets a kick out of seeing you get all worked up. How should we know? We don't know "Hank". |
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Homer
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| Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2004 4:47 am Post subject: |
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Ducthman,
No need to insult me my man.... 
I am just curious about what makes him stay.
To put your concerns to rest however, I know Hank as a aquaintance at the bar.
I don't get worked up for this kind of thing dutchie....I just wonder about it...there is a difference.
Finally you do not need to know Hank personnally to wonder about his choice do you?
There are quite a few like him here. |
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dutchman
Joined: 23 Jan 2003
Location: My backyard
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| Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2004 5:19 am Post subject: |
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| Homer wrote: |
Ducthman,
No need to insult me my man....
I am just curious about what makes him stay.
To put your concerns to rest however, I know Hank as a aquaintance at the bar.
I don't get worked up for this kind of thing dutchie....I just wonder about it...there is a difference.
Finally you do not need to know Hank personnally to wonder about his choice do you?
There are quite a few like him here. |
Sure I need to know him personally. All I'm hearing is your side of the story. I've yet to meet any foreigner in Korea that doesn't have a reason for staying here. Sometimes it takes a little effort to get to know the person before that reason comes out. Some reasons are better than others but who am I to judge? |
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Homer
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| Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2004 6:52 am Post subject: |
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I am not judging his decision dutchman.
I am wondering why he would choose to stay here when he professes loud and clear every chance he gets that he hates this country and its people.
He also mentions at every chance how he could be working in better conditions somewhere else.
Thats puzzling to me as it seems illogical and ill advised. You only get one life, why waste it in a place that makes you miserable.
If however it does not make him miserable in reality then what is it? Some viceral need to whine and be heard?
Having spoken to him on a few occasions here is what comes up:
He has a job that he finds un-rewarding.
He eats no Korean food because it stinks.
He finds Koreans to be retarded (his words, uttered on many occasions)
He finds Korean society to be retarded.
He never mentionned one thing he likes here (even after being asked by people at the bar).
He is a nice dude, can talk hockey till the sun comes up, but he totally hates it here.
Yet he stays....that seems like S&M to me.....
I am not judging him or his outlook on Korea. Just wondering at why he would stay here when clearly he could be somewhere that would make him happier and provide him with comparable savings and income. |
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Butterfly
Joined: 02 Mar 2003
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| Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2004 8:20 am Post subject: |
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| Gwangjuboy wrote: |
| Strange. I know of many right wing politicians who use this arguement to immigrants in the UK. "If you don't like it then go home." All those Indians in the UK who complain about signs that aren't written in Punjabi should jump on the next plane back to India. Should we make it a pre-requisite that all Westerners working in Korea shouldn't complain. In my opinion most of those advocating such a position here, would be outraged at a similar position towards immigrants in the West. I see some double standards. |
Well that analogy doesn't fit for me. I absolutely hate those Asians in the UK who demand that street signs should be written in Punjabi etc. They should learn the language of the country they reside in, they should adapt and stop whining about our culture, a bit like foreigners in Korea.
That's a straw man, man. |
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dutchman
Joined: 23 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2004 1:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Homer wrote: |
I am not judging him or his outlook on Korea. Just wondering at why he would stay here when clearly he could be somewhere that would make him happier and provide him with comparable savings and income. |
Maybe his reason for being here (and possibly the true cause of his misery) is back in Canada. What's he running from? |
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tomato
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.
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Hello, Homer!
I've never heard the word "retarded" applied to Koreans, but I once had a roommate who used the word "hopeless" at least once a day.
Ever since then, I have turned down any job which offered shared housing. |
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sparkx
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: thekimchipot.com
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| Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2004 2:37 pm Post subject: |
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| rapier wrote: |
Its the delusional iconoclast here! I suppose i see your point, to a degree..
I'm money hungry in the sense that it will buy me experiences, travel, and knowledge...
They're money hungry in that it'll buy them a better car and TV.
I believe there's a difference.
I'm happy with "enough". they want much more....Aratchi? |
I seriously don't know how you can judge something like this in a qualitative way Rapier. What's one mans trip to Thailand is another girls handphone.
By applying that logic, the k-girls greed is a personality abberation (which for the record i've never seen... If there's one thing i can say about koreans from my experiences is that they are overly generous - men and women) but for the teacher its a lifestyle. I'll let you decide what's worse. |
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Mosley
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2004 8:10 pm Post subject: Homer.... |
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| dutchman kinda beat me to the punch. You say you aren't judging "Hank"(his real name?)-fair enough-but your OP gave a pretty negative impression of the guy. I'm just wondering:given that you gave some details about the guy that could readily identify him to others, does this guy post here? Is he even aware of this site? I just think the guy should be given a chance to defend himself(so to speak) and maybe on this thread he could offer a reasonable explanation as to why he stays here. Or he might come off as a disgruntled jerk. Point is, will he be given the chance? None of us can TRULY answer for this guy. |
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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003
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| Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2004 8:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Strange. I know of many right wing politicians who use this arguement to immigrants in the UK. "If you don't like it then go home." All those Indians in the UK who complain about signs that aren't written in Punjabi should jump on the next plane back to India. Should we make it a pre-requisite that all Westerners working in Korea shouldn't complain. In my opinion most of those advocating such a position here, would be outraged at a similar position towards immigrants in the West. I see some double standards. |
Well that analogy doesn't fit for me. I absolutely hate those Asians in the UK who demand that street signs should be written in Punjabi etc. They should learn the language of the country they reside in, they should adapt and stop whining about our culture, a bit like foreigners in Korea.
That's a straw man, man. |
I agreee. That's the point. There are plenty of people who would support those complaining Indians back home, but condemn people like Hank. |
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Wishmaster
Joined: 06 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2004 8:50 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm here because the money is easy. Period. However, I also enjoy certain things about Korea. But financial reasons are the primary motivation. As far as the Thailand/Korea comparisons, I would take living in crap Thailand over great Korea. In other words, at least you've got the beaches and people don't stare at you like you're a member of Dawn of the Dead....... |
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Yaya
Joined: 25 Feb 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Mar 23, 2004 12:53 am Post subject: |
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| Butterfly wrote: |
| Gwangjuboy wrote: |
| Strange. I know of many right wing politicians who use this arguement to immigrants in the UK. "If you don't like it then go home." All those Indians in the UK who complain about signs that aren't written in Punjabi should jump on the next plane back to India. Should we make it a pre-requisite that all Westerners working in Korea shouldn't complain. In my opinion most of those advocating such a position here, would be outraged at a similar position towards immigrants in the West. I see some double standards. |
Well that analogy doesn't fit for me. I absolutely hate those Asians in the UK who demand that street signs should be written in Punjabi etc. They should learn the language of the country they reside in, they should adapt and stop whining about our culture, a bit like foreigners in Korea.
That's a straw man, man. |
Yep, I'm also against bilingual education and the like, but I think it should follow the specific situation. If your town has a bunch of Chinese who are not that fluent in English, wouldn't it be smart for a biz owner to have signs in Chinese and such? Restaurants in Guus Hiddink's hometown had menus printed in English and Korean for the hordes of Korean tourists who rushed there after the 2002 World Cup.
But actually, I do have a problem when immigrants go to a country and do not try to learn the language, including Koreans, Chinese and any other group. |
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Butterfly
Joined: 02 Mar 2003
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| Posted: Tue Mar 23, 2004 1:18 am Post subject: |
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| Well there is a difference between doing things for tourists and residents, the companies that had those menus made were doing it for commercial reasons, paid for with private money. Many immigrants in the UK and other, expect municipal things to be written in their language, and that the local council should foot the bill. |
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