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catman
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 Posted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 1:33 pm Post subject: China threatens action against Japan |
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Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao threatened action against Japan if it does not immediately release a detained ship captain, in his first comments in a growing fight over disputed islands.
Wen's remarks Tuesday night in New York were the first by a top Chinese leader on the issue that has led Beijing to suspend ministerial-level contacts with Tokyo. China also has said Wen will not meet with Japanese Prime Minister Naoto Kan during United Nations meetings in New York this week.
Wen laid the blame for the dispute entirely at Japan's door.
Tokyo "bears full responsibility for the situation, and it will bear all consequences," he told a gathering of overseas Chinese, according to China's Foreign Ministry website. The report did not elaborate on what actions China might take.
China-Japan relations are at their worst in several years after Japan arrested the Chinese captain of a fishing boat that collided two weeks ago with Japanese coast guard vessels near islands in the East China Sea claimed by both nations. Japan extended his detention Sunday, and China responded by suspending contacts.
The dispute over the islands, known as Senkaku by Japan and Diaoyu or Diaoyutai in Chinese, comes as an increasingly confident China � its economy booming and military expanding � asserts its presence in the region.
A Japanese government spokesman made a conciliatory gesture Wednesday morning, but it was not clear if he was aware of Wen's comments at the time.
"If possible, it would be good to quickly hold high-level talks, including broad, strategic discussions," Japanese Chief Cabinet Secretary Yoshito Sengoku told reporters, saying that the countries should continue to strengthen their ties despite the dispute.
The telephone at China's Foreign Ministry rang unanswered Wednesday, a national holiday in China.
On Tuesday, ministry spokeswoman Jiang Yu explained that Wen would not be meeting Japan's Kan in New York because "The atmosphere is obviously not suitable for such a meeting."
Protests rise in China
Anti-Japanese protests have already flared in numerous locations around China, and the dispute has spilled into cultural ties. Beijing abruptly cancelled invitations to 1,000 Japanese youth to visit the Shanghai expo, and the Japanese pop group SMAP has called off a concert in Shanghai.
Also, activists from Hong Kong, mainland China and Taiwan have tried to sail private boats to the islands in support of the territorial claims, though most of those plans have been thwarted by official pressure.
Seven activists from the southern Chinese territory of Hong Kong set sail for the islands Wednesday in a fishing boat but were later intercepted by two marine police vessels. Officers boarded the fishing boat but didn't immediately make any arrests, activist David Ko said.
Calls to Hong Kong's Marine Department seeking comment late Wednesday went unanswered. The department had earlier warned it might stop the boat on the ground that it was making a non-fishing trip.
The growing dispute faces a test on Sept. 29, the deadline by which Japanese prosecutors must decide whether to charge the Chinese captain. Fourteen crew members and the boat have been returned.
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rollo
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| Posted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 2:09 pm Post subject: |
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China is using this to push Japan to open up its doors to more chinese products. This is about economics. The Chinese are very very careful to not provoke Japn too much.
their big fear is an arms race in Asia. They do not want to have to spend money to keep up with the Japanese. They also have memories of a militant aggressive Japan and they donot want to wake that sleeping pit bull. The Japanese of course are playing their own game. The oil and gas that is thought to be in the area where the captain was arrested is a huge prize and this jostling is also about that.
Of course the U.S presence in the area helps keep a lid on things. |
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The Happy Warrior
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| Posted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 6:05 pm Post subject: |
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| rollo wrote: |
Of course the U.S presence in the area helps keep a lid on things. |
Uncle Sam says, "There, there, you can both be #2." |
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The Happy Warrior
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| Posted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 7:47 pm Post subject: |
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http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2010/09/why-is-the-us-rehearsing-for-a-chinese-invasion-of-japan/63424/
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| Enter Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, who in July worked hard to peacefully resolve an island dispute between China and Thailand. The U.S. interest here is four-fold: establish a mechanism for peaceful conflict resolution, so that war is less likely; build precedent for the rule of international law, so that China can't simply use its navy to bully its neighbors; keep the U.S. involved in East Asian politics so we aren't shut out; and prevent China from dominating the South China Sea. The oil-rich sea lane has become a strategically crucial link from East Asia to the Indian subcontinent, the Middle East, Africa, and beyond. Those connections are rapidly becoming some of the most important and most heavily trafficked trade routes of the global economy. Whoever controls the South China Sea will also control the ability of navies--whether Chinese, American, Indian, or NATO--to project force across the Eastern and Western hemispheres. |
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The Happy Warrior
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Japan has turned down China's demand for a formal apology after releasing a Chinese fishing boat captain who was detained for two weeks in Okinawa
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The Japanese coastguard arrested Zhan Qixiong on 8 September after his trawler collided with two of their patrol boats in an area claimed by both countries, near uninhabited islands which may have oil and gas deposits.
"Prosecutors came to their judgment in compliance with their duty on the basis of Japanese domestic law. In any case, China and Japan are important neighbours," said Mr Kan, who was attending the UN General Assembly in New York.
They said they did not perceive any premeditated intent to damage the patrol boats and therefore had decided that further investigation while keeping the captain in custody would not be appropriate, considering the impact on relations with China. |
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shinramyun
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| Posted: Sat Sep 25, 2010 11:19 am Post subject: |
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china = big bully with 13 year old child mentality issue
these people think they own the entire asia and can just illegally enter other nation's water to fish and drill. |
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Gwangjuboy
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| Posted: Sat Sep 25, 2010 3:37 pm Post subject: |
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| I liked the previous description of Japan as being like a sleeping pitbull. It's obvious that China risks waking it from its slumber. Japan may need to arm, as geopolitically, the balance of power in East Asia is increasingly weighted in China's favour, and the US is less dependable than before. It is only a matter of time. |
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rollo
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| Posted: Sat Sep 25, 2010 7:31 pm Post subject: |
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Japan has been rearming. The biggest issue that has faced Japan for the last twenty years is what to do when U.S power declines in Asia. So in the last few years they have been gearing up particuraly in electronic warfare.
China has enjoyed the U.s. presence that kept trouble in the region down, kept the South China sea relativly calm. Kept japan from rearming .
Japan stayed at war with its neighbors including Russia from 1890 until 1945.
China is flexing its muscles but do they really want to push this ? They could be making a very big mistake here. Maybe not one that ends in a military conflict but an economic mistake as the U.S. and the E.U. start looking at Japan as a supplier instead of the troublesome Chinese.
Apparently Japan has backed down. I say apparently because I think they made a point. |
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recessiontime
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| Posted: Sat Sep 25, 2010 11:11 pm Post subject: |
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| rollo wrote: |
Japan has been rearming. The biggest issue that has faced Japan for the last twenty years is what to do when U.S power declines in Asia. So in the last few years they have been gearing up particuraly in electronic warfare.
China has enjoyed the U.s. presence that kept trouble in the region down, kept the South China sea relativly calm. Kept japan from rearming .
Japan stayed at war with its neighbors including Russia from 1890 until 1945.
China is flexing its muscles but do they really want to push this ? They could be making a very big mistake here. Maybe not one that ends in a military conflict but an economic mistake as the U.S. and the E.U. start looking at Japan as a supplier instead of the troublesome Chinese.
Apparently Japan has backed down. I say apparently because I think they made a point. |
aren't Chinese products a lot cheaper than Japanese ones? |
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rollo
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| Posted: Sun Sep 26, 2010 2:31 pm Post subject: |
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cheaper at this time but the gap is closing I believe. there are other considerations than price, here. China could be frozen out of certain technologies also if they appear to be destablizing the region, investments could dry up.
The U.S. will be in this region for a long time , because the major players realize that a third party is needed to guarantee peace and prosperity. |
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jvalmer
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| Posted: Sun Sep 26, 2010 3:51 pm Post subject: |
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The Chinese aren't dumb. No need for Japan to waste too much money on their military. Outside of some of those central Asian counties, no other Asian country is going to start a full scale war with each other. It really doesn't matter if the US has a presence in Asia. Nobody is going to start a conflict that would only set everyones economies back. Even NK will limit themselves to shooting at minor military target once in a while.
It's all PR posturing, like when the Americans were caught with their pants down when the Chinese shot down that American spy plane a few years ago. |
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Mokpo_Wookie
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| Posted: Sun Sep 26, 2010 7:42 pm Post subject: |
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| jvalmer wrote: |
The Chinese aren't dumb. No need for Japan to waste too much money on their military. Outside of some of those central Asian counties, no other Asian country is going to start a full scale war with each other. It really doesn't matter if the US has a presence in Asia. Nobody is going to start a conflict that would only set everyones economies back. Even NK will limit themselves to shooting at minor military target once in a while.
It's all PR posturing, like when the Americans were caught with their pants down when the Chinese shot down that American spy plane a few years ago. |
+1
China's future is in economic power and not military power...the two go together, but the former is more important these days. |
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Wishmaster
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| Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 6:24 am Post subject: |
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| Japan should definitely re-arm. They've got China breathing down their neck. The US umbrella is good, but Japan needs to get back to taking care of their own business. All these other Asian countries(including China) are scared of Japan and want to keep "emasculating" them. I predict that it won't be long before Japan gets back in the game. |
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Junior
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| Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 7:36 am Post subject: |
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| shinramyun wrote: |
these people think they own the entire asia and can just illegally enter other nation's water to fish. |
The whole problem is exacerbated because they've all been overfishing and destroying their coastal environments/ habitats.
No wonder they're fighting over the few last remaining fish now. |
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shinramyun
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| Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 11:57 am Post subject: |
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| Wishmaster wrote: |
| Japan should definitely re-arm. They've got China breathing down their neck. The US umbrella is good, but Japan needs to get back to taking care of their own business. All these other Asian countries(including China) are scared of Japan and want to keep "emasculating" them. I predict that it won't be long before Japan gets back in the game. |
LOL, how about you stop kissing japan's ass for once?
Rest of asia is afraid of japan? ROFL.
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