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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| daboss wrote: |
Not if you yourself aren't an English teacher  Sorry I hurt your pride. |
No need to worry on that account. I don't take offense from people I have no respect for. |
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daboss
Joined: 23 Sep 2010
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| Posted: Sun Sep 26, 2010 1:00 am Post subject: |
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Well then we're all fine  I don't need your respect, who are you anyways ! |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sun Sep 26, 2010 1:05 am Post subject: |
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| Well then we're all fine I don't need your respect, who are you anyways ! |
Evidently, I'm an atypically well paid Chinese migrant worker laboring very gently under comfortable circumstances who people are unusually willing to entrust the safety and education of their children to. I know it sounds retarded, but a man who is very proud of not being an educator told me it was so. |
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n8shac
Joined: 19 Apr 2008
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Sep 26, 2010 1:06 am Post subject: |
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[forthright assault on Fox's character removed]
Your mother reeks of Elderberries!
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daboss
Joined: 23 Sep 2010
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| Posted: Sun Sep 26, 2010 1:12 am Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
| daboss wrote: |
| Well then we're all fine I don't need your respect, who are you anyways ! |
Evidently, I'm an atypically well paid Chinese migrant worker laboring very gently under comfortable circumstances who people are unusually willing to entrust the safety and education of their children to. I know it sounds retarded, but a man who is very proud of not being an educator told me it was so. |
You're an English teacher? Even an educator, hoho! Oh for a second there, I almost got jealous Making 1.8 Million a month?
Look, this is what this thread is all about! The awkwardness, the problem of self-conception among people like you which hinders you to have social interactions. Seeing another foreigner probably makes you think that that person is not an educator like you and therefore on a different social level. Or you think you are better than whatever other English teacher you see. Or you might believe you're so perfectly integrated in Korean society that you don't associate with other foreigners. Get rid of the pride and be cool about it 
It's really your choice, but I believe you can't deny that at least in some cases, what I mentioned above is definitely involved.
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sun Sep 26, 2010 1:14 am Post subject: |
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| You're right about one thing: my degree focus is on something that few people genuinely appreciate. As for the rest, not so much. Believe what you need to, but you'll be better off when you stop trying to justify social rejection as a defect in your rejector. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sun Sep 26, 2010 1:27 am Post subject: |
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| daboss wrote: |
| Oh for a second there, I almost got jealous |
This kind of thinking is silly. I don't maintain my current position to make people jealous, I do it because I enjoy it and it provides enough for me to live comfortably and put away a reasonable amount of money each month.
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| Look, this is what this thread is all about! The awkwardness, the problem of self-conception among people like you which hinders you to have social interactions. |
You're half right. What's being demonstrated here is what this thread is about, but the problem isn't me. The original poster had a complaint: that people rejected him, being unwilling to even give him a chance. In this thread, both he and you and demonstrated why so many of us simply aren't willing to bother even trying with other foreigners.
I'm happy with my situation, and I strongly suspect many of the people who are happily going about their own lives are equally happy with theirs. The original poster is not. Trying to make this about the people who are content is just silly.
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| Seeing another foreigner probably makes you think that that person is not an educator like you and therefore on a different social level. Or you think you are better than whatever other English teacher you see. Or you might believe you're so perfectly integrated in Korean society that you don't associate with other foreigners. |
Or, it could be that I simply don't need more friends. I don't care if another foreigner is a good English teacher. I don't care if they're in a job that they consider superior to being an English teacher. I don't really care about the details of their lives at all. What I know is I don't need them in my life. Between my co-workers, my current friends, and my wife, all the attention I have to give to others is accounted for.
But that's not a satisfying explanation when you're trying to justify why someone you might have wanted to reach out to isn't willing to reach back, is it? You have to demonize them somehow, in order to feel better about yourself. As I said, do what you need to, but at the end of the day you'll still be the one pouting. Far better to just accept it for what it is and maintain your serenity.
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| It's really your choice, but I believe you can't deny that at least in some cases, what I mentioned above is definitely involved. |
Maybe someone out there really does shun other foreigners because they think other foreigners aren't good enough English teachers, but if so, I've never met them. I've met plenty of people who were simply content with their current situation and didn't want the added complications of a passive-aggressive person with a sense of entitlement in their life. I mean seriously, did you read n8shac's diatribe about me? That's an awful lot to "infer" from the fact that I think people who avoid him are being reasonable. Who really wants someone like that around? |
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daboss
Joined: 23 Sep 2010
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| Posted: Sun Sep 26, 2010 1:34 am Post subject: |
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Well then all I can say is they are really really simple people with very simple and low expectations. And if that floats their boat - I'm not gonna argue against that, because the economy needs them: People who shut up, take their penny a month, and are still happy with it. By now you must have realized that I tend to overexaggerate hope you dont mind.
It's all about your own happiness. And you opened my eyes, Fox: Low expectations for an easy life. You are happy with something I could never be happy with. Maybe I should reconsider my expectations. Thanks for this input. I've always thought that lofty goals and high ambitions are what we should strive for. But you make a good argument against it. |
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n8shac
Joined: 19 Apr 2008
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Sep 26, 2010 1:36 am Post subject: |
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| Maybe someone out there really does shun other foreigners because they think other foreigners aren't good enough English teachers, but if so, I've never met them. I've met plenty of people who were simply content with their current situation and didn't want the added complications of a passive-aggressive person with a sense of entitlement in their life. I mean seriously, did you read n8shac's diatribe about me? That's an awful lot to "infer" from the fact that I think people who avoid him are being reasonable. Who really wants someone like that around? |
First off, I wouldn't have called it an archetype if you were the first. There are quite a number of educated older people here who are bitter and alone, and their intensity is rampant enough that I protect myself from anti-social behavior with the only two ways I know how: charm (didn't work), or more anti-social behavior... which, if you carefully read some of your initial responses seem to be more of what you indicated you'd respond to. And yes, you responded better to anti-social behavior.
I don't use this stuff because I like it, I use it because it works. And if you were at all paying attention, the 'whining' that was getting to you was me saying that normal, middle-of-the-road charm is generally lacking on the neighborhood level.
I was simply reaching out to people who would listen and had constructive solutions. Your solution was to blame me, which is just as myopic and deconstructive as anything I could have possibly said. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sun Sep 26, 2010 2:06 am Post subject: |
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| And if you were at all paying attention, the 'whining' that was getting to you was me saying that normal, middle-of-the-road charm is generally lacking on the neighborhood level. |
What you actually did was called people jaded and petty for the sin of not wanting to have a stop-and-chat on the street. I've made my point in depth, and you can either keep pretending people not interested in you are all angry, lonely people who have a fetish for Japanese women, or you can become more realistic. Whichever you chose, I don't think there's a need to persist in this conversation. |
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n8shac
Joined: 19 Apr 2008
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Sep 26, 2010 2:07 am Post subject: |
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This post definite went sour right here:
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| daboss wrote: |
I dont think that's the reason.
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It's good to have opinions.
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| I'd say they are just socially awkward, one reason they didn't get a job in their home country |
An excellent way to rationalize away social rejection. I notice a lot of the whiners here abouts complaining that other foreigners won't give them the time of day have the same tendency. It's almost like it's a pattern.
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| There's nothing wrong with networking ... |
True, and there's also nothing wrong with not networking. Not all of us are going to bother associating with you just because you might be useful in some menial sense later in life. |
Sorry about that, folks, I had no idea it would turn out all douchey like this. Some of us just want to be arrogant, but for the REST of us....
I work days. Feel free to PM me if you're looking to hang-out in Gayang/Deungchon-dong/or Gangseogu-cheong!
Cheers,
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stevieg4ever
Joined: 11 Feb 2006
Location: London, England
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| Posted: Sun Sep 26, 2010 4:49 am Post subject: |
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| classic Daves ESL. |
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n8shac
Joined: 19 Apr 2008
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Sep 26, 2010 4:54 am Post subject: |
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Hey hey hey...
This place brings people together, dammit
/playful sarcasm. |
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daboss
Joined: 23 Sep 2010
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| Posted: Sun Sep 26, 2010 9:49 am Post subject: |
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| classic Daves ESL. |
what do you expect, they're english teachers! |
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machoman
Joined: 11 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Sun Sep 26, 2010 6:45 pm Post subject: Re: Gangseo-Gu, Seoul |
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If there's one thing I've learned about living in Seoul vs. living on the outskirts of Busan, it's that foreigners here don't at all like mixing with other foreigners. Seriously, I see people on the street and they just avert eye-contact. All of them. I realize that's a country vs city thing not exclusive to Seoul.
At any rate, if anyone is in or around GangseoGu... particularly Deungchon-dong/Gayang and wants to hang-out sometime, I've been in the area some time and can't get a friendly hello from anyone but my coworkers or the bar crowd in Hongdae/Itaewon.
Give a shout, it would be nice to get a drink without thinking about cab fare. |
hah! i used to live in deungchon dong. right before they built the subway station there. are you teaching at a public school? baekseok middle school by any chance? |
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