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taipan1949



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 1:58 pm    Post subject: Why is it so hard to get fingerprinted for FBI background ck Reply with quote

I have been trying to get my FBI background check accomplished, but it is extremely frustrating. I contacted the FBI and got 3 fingerprint cards. Following their directions, I then went to my local police department with the forms, but was turned away because I could not give them an ORI or OCA number. I tried to explain to the clerk that the conversation schools in South Korea do not provide ORI or OCA numbers, but she still said that I had to get one of those numbers. So now I am really stuck, not knowing how to resolve this dilemma.
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stephorama



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 2:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I printed my fingerprint cards directly from the FBI websit andthe ORI number is already printed on it.


http://www.fbi.gov/hq/cjisd/pdf/fpcardb.pdf



Hope that helps.
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taipan1949



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 2:44 pm    Post subject: Fingerprints Reply with quote

Stephorama, you definitely helped me. Thanks so much.
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lifeinkorea



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Location: somewhere in China

PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 4:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So, you print this out and then go to a police station? I am in China, can I do that or do I need to use another form?

I would hate to do all these steps, then some goof retorts "That is only for people living in US" or "That was last year's form", blah blah blah.
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sojusucks



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 6:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have had a Korean teacher go with me to the police station to explain why I needed the fingerprint card completed. Just ask someone to help you with it. Even if they write a note for you in Korean that should be enough.
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NM14456



Joined: 21 Aug 2010

PostPosted: Sun Sep 26, 2010 4:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

stephorama wrote:
I printed my fingerprint cards directly from the FBI websit andthe ORI number is already printed on it.


http://www.fbi.gov/hq/cjisd/pdf/fpcardb.pdf



Hope that helps.


Dumb question maybe. I've got the pdf file you refer to and the ORI area is pre-filled in with info. The "OCA" space is blank......

What are the looking for there? Any idea?
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stephorama



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 26, 2010 4:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NM14456 wrote:
stephorama wrote:
I printed my fingerprint cards directly from the FBI websit andthe ORI number is already printed on it.


http://www.fbi.gov/hq/cjisd/pdf/fpcardb.pdf



Hope that helps.


Dumb question maybe. I've got the pdf file you refer to and the ORI area is pre-filled in with info. The "OCA" space is blank......

What are the looking for there? Any idea?


You'd only have an OCA if you have a criminal record. I think it stands for Original Criminal something-or-other.

When I took the printouts to the Sheriff's office here they used their own fingerprint cards and I just wrote in the FBI ORI info.

Sidenote: I felt very strange being fingerprinted - like I had done something very wrong! Shocked
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NM14456



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 26, 2010 4:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

stephorama wrote:
NM14456 wrote:
stephorama wrote:
I printed my fingerprint cards directly from the FBI websit andthe ORI number is already printed on it.


http://www.fbi.gov/hq/cjisd/pdf/fpcardb.pdf



Hope that helps.


Dumb question maybe. I've got the pdf file you refer to and the ORI area is pre-filled in with info. The "OCA" space is blank......

What are the looking for there? Any idea?


You'd only have an OCA if you have a criminal record. I think it stands for Original Criminal something-or-other.

When I took the printouts to the Sheriff's office here they used their own fingerprint cards and I just wrote in the FBI ORI info.

Sidenote: I felt very strange being fingerprinted - like I had done something very wrong! Shocked


Thanks - Good I suppose that I don't know what it means then! Maybe it stand for Original Criminal Account? All very bizarre. Welcome to the new police state reality I suppose.
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taipan1949



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 26, 2010 5:16 pm    Post subject: NM14456 Reply with quote

NM14456, there are no dumb questions. I see that you do not know what an OCA number represents and I would not suggest your question was dumb. The fingerprinting tech that assisted me could not tell me where to secure an ORI number other than the employer. When I attempted to explain that the Korean language schools were not going to provide the number that she demanded, she had no alternative to share. Oh and days later when I finally gave her the ORI number from the FBI card, she checked it and found that the number was invalid.
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NM14456



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 26, 2010 6:03 pm    Post subject: Re: NM14456 Reply with quote

taipan1949 wrote:
NM14456, there are no dumb questions. I see that you do not know what an OCA number represents and I would not suggest your question was dumb. The fingerprinting tech that assisted me could not tell me where to secure an ORI number other than the employer. When I attempted to explain that the Korean language schools were not going to provide the number that she demanded, she had no alternative to share. Oh and days later when I finally gave her the ORI number from the FBI card, she checked it and found that the number was invalid.


When I first went through the fingerprinting process (then state level) to start working here in Korea a year ago I went to a state police barracks in the state where I reside. I had the guy do the prints but had some questions so I went to a bigger better equipped barracks. The tech at the better barracks just laughed at the card I brought in from the other printing. He showed me how all of the prints were misprinted and the card was incorrectly filled out by the tech. Fortunately, he redid them w/o charge. The problem now of course, is that careless errors or just plain mistakes can cost you employment. Correcting these things could put you into 4-6 months of overseas correspondence and expensive mailings. I can understand for the teacher's first year. Call it the price of admission. I think if teachers have to replicate this year after year many will opt out. There's also bound to be problems getting started for many teachers who probably aren't even aware of this new requirement.
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brickabrack



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 26, 2010 6:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

maybe I'm being naive or at the very least, uninformed.

Couldn't you print out the card online and go buy some ink?
Do your own prints and send them off?

I have not seen the card. There is probably some seal or stamp
that K officials put on the card before they give it back to you?
I suppose this could possibly be illegal....
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NM14456



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 26, 2010 6:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

brickabrack wrote:
maybe I'm being naive or at the very least, uninformed.

Couldn't you print out the card online and go buy some ink?
Do your own prints and send them off?

I have not seen the card. There is probably some seal or stamp
that K officials put on the card before they give it back to you?
I suppose this could possibly be illegal....


I don't want to make the fingerprinting process sound like rocket science but I'm not sure doing it on your own is so smart. I'm guessing you have a far higher chance of mucking it up than a tech doing it. I think (dont' remember exactly) inside of the States there's either a stamp or signature that typically goes on the card. That may be why indicating it's an international request isn't such a bad idea.

Why bother though? I don't think it's getting the prints done specifically that really concerns people it's all of the bureaucratic steps that can go wrong / time line for it etc..
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jamiemexi



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 11:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Technically, you can do the fingerprints yourself if you have the right kind of ink. The ink that actually comes off your fingers when you wash them. On the ink card, there is a place where the fingerprint operator sign, but they don't have to give their fingerprint operator number, so essentially you can have your friend take the prints and have him or her sign their name. The FBI will never know.

But I would only do that if you know how to roll your prints. There's a certain way to do it. Flats and rolling. Saving $10-$20 will hurt you because if you do it the wrong way, wait for the rejection letter from the FBI, takes 7-12 weeks. The time you may lose for $10-$20 is not worth it. There are some things you go cheap on and there are some things you just pay so it get done properly and you won't get stress out.

ORI = Orginating Agency Identification Number. This is set by the the State and FBI. They give this number to employers or agencies checking on background check of their employees. For instance, if you're in real estate, the real estate department will have a ORI number. Once the background check is completed by the state and FBI electronically, they know where to send it. They can send it by physical address or electronically if they have a mailcode.

For teaching in South Korea, there should be a default ORI number on the form or FD-258 ink card, unless you downloaded the wrong card, there are actually a few. There are some for people that work in finance etc. Just make sure at the bottom it states FD-258, that's the card for FBI fingerprinting.

If you take it to the police station or live scan they should just take your prints cause they provide those cards for free with the fingerprint service. If they don't just go to another place. Fingerprinting is $10-$20 profit, so that's not a lot of money for the department, they rather be booking people for DUI - $10,000 - fines and school. So if they give you attitudes about fingerprints, just go to a live scan facility or another police station.

OCA is only for certain agency like if you're applying for contractors state license board... for the purpose of this forum lets stick to FBI background check.

Just print out the form or get a FD-258 card, take it to the live scan facility or police station. Pay them $20 so they can take your prints. Mail off your prints to the FBI, wait for 7-12 weeks for your results. Don't call them or bug them. Imagine getting thousands of calls a day from people like you guys and other workers, how can they process the FBI checks if they are constantly answering phone calls. You know they probably laid off a ton of workers in this economy. Before FBI background checks only take 1 week.

Anyway, just make sure before you send your prints off to the FBI, make sure you can see your prints on the FD-258 card or the printable ink card. If they are smeared, do it again before sending it off, if you are not careful with the prints, they will get rejected (wait another 7-12weeks) and you'll probably won't get the job because you won't meet EPIK or Korea Teaching deadlines.




brickabrack wrote:
maybe I'm being naive or at the very least, uninformed.

Couldn't you print out the card online and go buy some ink?
Do your own prints and send them off?

I have not seen the card. There is probably some seal or stamp
that K officials put on the card before they give it back to you?
I suppose this could possibly be illegal....
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NM14456



Joined: 21 Aug 2010

PostPosted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 3:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jamiemexi wrote:
Technically, you can do the fingerprints yourself if you have the right kind of ink. The ink that actually comes off your fingers when you wash them. On the ink card, there is a place where the fingerprint operator sign, but they don't have to give their fingerprint operator number, so essentially you can have your friend take the prints and have him or her sign their name. The FBI will never know.

But I would only do that if you know how to roll your prints. There's a certain way to do it. Flats and rolling. Saving $10-$20 will hurt you because if you do it the wrong way, wait for the rejection letter from the FBI, takes 7-12 weeks. The time you may lose for $10-$20 is not worth it. There are some things you go cheap on and there are some things you just pay so it get done properly and you won't get stress out.

ORI = Orginating Agency Identification Number. This is set by the the State and FBI. They give this number to employers or agencies checking on background check of their employees. For instance, if you're in real estate, the real estate department will have a ORI number. Once the background check is completed by the state and FBI electronically, they know where to send it. They can send it by physical address or electronically if they have a mailcode.

For teaching in South Korea, there should be a default ORI number on the form or FD-258 ink card, unless you downloaded the wrong card, there are actually a few. There are some for people that work in finance etc. Just make sure at the bottom it states FD-258, that's the card for FBI fingerprinting.

If you take it to the police station or live scan they should just take your prints cause they provide those cards for free with the fingerprint service. If they don't just go to another place. Fingerprinting is $10-$20 profit, so that's not a lot of money for the department, they rather be booking people for DUI - $10,000 - fines and school. So if they give you attitudes about fingerprints, just go to a live scan facility or another police station.

OCA is only for certain agency like if you're applying for contractors state license board... for the purpose of this forum lets stick to FBI background check.

Just print out the form or get a FD-258 card, take it to the live scan facility or police station. Pay them $20 so they can take your prints. Mail off your prints to the FBI, wait for 7-12 weeks for your results. Don't call them or bug them. Imagine getting thousands of calls a day from people like you guys and other workers, how can they process the FBI checks if they are constantly answering phone calls. You know they probably laid off a ton of workers in this economy. Before FBI background checks only take 1 week.

Anyway, just make sure before you send your prints off to the FBI, make sure you can see your prints on the FD-258 card or the printable ink card. If they are smeared, do it again before sending it off, if you are not careful with the prints, they will get rejected (wait another 7-12weeks) and you'll probably won't get the job because you won't meet EPIK or Korea Teaching deadlines.



I went to the USO office here in Seoul for printing and they did three sets. Unfortunately, and I didn't think of it at the time, there's nothing in the ORI space. Do I write in the number/address from the card I downloaded from the FBI? It definitely, gets rejected without the ORI?

This seems contradictory though - At the form I downloaded from the FBI (the one that has the ORI info) it says:

"If you go to a law enforcement agency or private fingerprinting agency to be fingerprinted, they may prefer to use a fingerprint card on standard card stock. You may use the fingerprint card provided by the fingerprinting agency." This is in reference to Departmental Order 556-73

Finally,

The fingerprint card they use seems exactly like the card they've used in the States before. The FD-258 # is on the back at the bottom though. Presumably that's not a big deal or what you meant anyway?

Sincerest apologies on this if I've made it more confusing for others.....
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 4:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yup, just write in the OCI#. I copied everything that was in the OCI box.
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