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SuperHero



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 02, 2004 4:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Funny thing too.. I got a pm from Joo telling me that Ewha University and Hanyang universities give no freedom to their teachers when I know the opposite is true as I have 2 friends working at Hanyang, and one at Ewha and I know what thier jobs are like.

I am jealous of them, but am also quite happy with the great conditions I have at my current university.
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee



Joined: 25 May 2003

PostPosted: Mon Mar 22, 2004 10:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alex Buffa wrote:
Joo is full of crap. As for "howganization" of the Universities, I work for an English Dept, not a language center. Vacation time isn't just taken away. We are treated as professionals and are expected to act as such.

Joo has a serious gripe about Korea. The reason I never mentioned housing is because I own my own. I stated my salary since that is the amount I receive via wire transfer to my bank account. I would never believe this woman teaches at a uni, she's so clueless as to the reality of uni teaching that her explanations leave me somewaht suspicious.

She claims to see all these horrible things in Korea, yet she REMAINS there. In a different light, the students at the crapola uni she claims to work at gives her good ratings. So what does this tell me? At best, she gets good ratings from lazy and unmotivated students at trashcan U. Would you place any value on the opinion of what a group of students who have the IQ of a cabbage and tuna fish combined have to say?

Korea can be great if you choose to make it.

Funny thing is that Miss Joo hasn't figured out how to make it happen...then again I enjoy the fact she suffers.

Keep it up Joo!

woohoo!



Fact is you exagerated your conditions. Why would you need to do that?

Alex didn't mention that he pays for his own housing.

So what if you work at the English Dept in Jun Joo or whatever. Aren't most if not the schools out of Seoul second or third rate?

Don't see you working in the English Education department of Ko Dae or Way Dae do we? Mr. I have a Masters degree so I am the man Buffa.

Whereever you work the chances are eventually they will turn on you there . University Department or University institute in the end they will gut you in the end.


Maybe you are still in Korea cause you ran out on your student loans and so you never have any prospect of getting credit again if you go back home.

You are just an apologisit for Korean universities now that you work at one just like you were for hogwons when you worked for them.


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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee



Joined: 25 May 2003

PostPosted: Mon Mar 22, 2004 10:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SuperHero wrote:
Funny thing too.. I got a pm from Joo telling me that Ewha University and Hanyang universities give no freedom to their teachers when I know the opposite is true as I have 2 friends working at Hanyang, and one at Ewha and I know what thier jobs are like.

I am jealous of them, but am also quite happy with the great conditions I have at my current university.



Ask your friends at Ehwa about the text book.

You don't know what you are talking about. Ask your friends at Hanyang about the text book. Ask them about the writing projects. ask them about the class reports.

You need to ask them again if they are happy -NOW?


Neither is a great job.

and 2.2 million isn't much money in Korea. 2 million is even less. And those salaries don't go up in Korea either.

I got news for you rationalization is not a substitute for success.
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SuperHero



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 23, 2004 5:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Joo:

get a life.
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee



Joined: 25 May 2003

PostPosted: Tue Mar 23, 2004 4:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What is wrong with telling people the way things are?

What you say is pretty close to an infomerical.


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Real Reality



Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Tue Mar 23, 2004 5:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Disturbing Trend Appearing?, Long termers Not being re-hired. original posted by EFL-Law-Guy at KoreaBridge Forum
Recently we have become aware of 5 cases of employees (teachers) who have worked for 4 or more years, with the same employer, NOT being renewed. (4 years, 2 x 7 years, 8 years, 13 years,). It has also become known the Ministry has sent a directive to schools, universities, etc, that teachers with long service should not be re-employed. Those who have been told to date include University teachers, College teachers and some Epik teachers.

add another one to the list.
I worked at the same university for 4 years and they decided to let me go even though they originally told me I could stay for a maximum of 5 years. I imagined several possible reasons but No real reason was given. something to the effect of we want 'new' teachers.
http://www.koreabridge.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=3343

Apparently, this needs repeating (or re-posting).
Foreign professors tend to be treated as hired hands, without academic standing, and lacking the possibility of career advancement or tenure. They must submit to yearly contracts (compensated at a rate only 60 percent of their Korean peers) while walled off from the permanent Korean faculty who benefit from travel, research funding, sabbaticals, etc. Moreover, when hundreds of Korean scholars enjoy such perks at American and other foreign universities, something is obviously amiss.
According to the Samsung Group's chairman, Lee Kun-hee, to succeed globally, Korea must forgo the thought that Korea and being Korean is superior, and foreign specialists must be treated with respect.
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/200206/14/200206142349223599900090109011.html

Something else to consider:
Only a month ago up in Incheon, numerous teachers were arrested and deported on the spot who worked for an Education Department camp - others got large fines - it is worth adding the mistake in the paper work was the Education departments, but it was the foreigners who suffered.
Koreabridge Forums -> EFL Education -> EFL LAW -> Limits On Legal Income From Winter/summer Camps, Are there limits set by Immigration?
http://www.koreabridge.com/forums/index.php?showforum=22
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Groo the Wanderer



Joined: 20 Jan 2004

PostPosted: Wed Mar 24, 2004 3:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote:
You don't know what you are talking about. Ask your friends at Hanyang about the text book. Ask them about the writing projects. ask them about the class reports.

You need to ask them again if they are happy -NOW?
. . .
and 2.2 million isn't much money in Korea. 2 million is even less. And those salaries don't go up in Korea either.


Hanyang's a great job and I'm quite happy.

The textbook sucks, yes, but a new one is possibly in the works and most teachers work around the present one so it has minimal impact. For non-freshman classes we usually choose our own textbooks.

Writing projects are gone, but even when they weren't the amount of grading was minimal compared to other places I've been -- about 10 hours a semester.

Class reports used to be easy. The new style is retarded and I agree with you there.

Hanyang's scheduling allows for lots of extra (legal) work and I'd guess that most teachers average over 3 million a month without too much effort. I know a couple who pull in well over that.

Are we happy? Most of us are. I suspect that your Hanyang contact is one of the whiners.
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SuperHero



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 24, 2004 3:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote:
What is wrong with telling people the way things are?

Because you are negative and have nothing positive to say about anything.
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Corporal



Joined: 25 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Wed Mar 24, 2004 5:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Back to the original topic, I work six classes of 50 minutes apiece (10 minute break) and I find it's a little much for me. I'm comfortable with five 50-minute classes with breaks of 15 minutes, but that may be expecting a little much from a hagwon.
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ryleeys



Joined: 22 Dec 2003
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 24, 2004 6:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm at six 50 minute classes a day... all kindy all the f*ckin' time.

By Tuesday, my voice is starting to die. By Friday, I can't speak at all... I've resorted to picking up desks and slamming them on the floor to get the kids to shut up.

Now they just laugh at me.
One kid flipped me the bird yesterday... I tore him a new one. He laughed at me too.

I hate this f*cking job.


(Still like the country though, so don't get me wrong)
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee



Joined: 25 May 2003

PostPosted: Wed Mar 24, 2004 9:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SuperHero wrote:
Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote:
What is wrong with telling people the way things are?

Because you are negative and have nothing positive to say about anything.


Fact is you don't tell things the way they are.
What you say is close to an infomerical.
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SuperHero



Joined: 10 Dec 2003
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 25, 2004 12:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote:

Fact is you don't tell things the way they are.
What you say is close to an infomerical.


I tell things the way they, I only give the facts. And you are a extremely pessimistic person with no hope for a future and consequently try to bring everyone into your own distorted worldview.

Grow up, son.
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Real Reality



Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Thu Mar 25, 2004 12:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SuperHero and Alex Buffa,

Any comments on my post?

Disturbing Trend Appearing?, Long termers Not being re-hired.
original posted by EFL-Law-Guy at KoreaBridge Forum
Recently we have become aware of 5 cases of employees (teachers) who have worked for 4 or more years, with the same employer, NOT being renewed. (4 years, 2 x 7 years, 8 years, 13 years,). It has also become known the Ministry has sent a directive to schools, universities, etc, that teachers with long service should not be re-employed. Those who have been told to date include University teachers, College teachers and some Epik teachers.

add another one to the list.
I worked at the same university for 4 years and they decided to let me go even though they originally told me I could stay for a maximum of 5 years. I imagined several possible reasons but No real reason was given. something to the effect of we want 'new' teachers.
http://www.koreabridge.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=3343

Apparently, this needs repeating (or re-posting).
Foreign professors tend to be treated as hired hands, without academic standing, and lacking the possibility of career advancement or tenure. They must submit to yearly contracts (compensated at a rate only 60 percent of their Korean peers) while walled off from the permanent Korean faculty who benefit from travel, research funding, sabbaticals, etc. Moreover, when hundreds of Korean scholars enjoy such perks at American and other foreign universities, something is obviously amiss.
According to the Samsung Group's chairman, Lee Kun-hee, to succeed globally, Korea must forgo the thought that Korea and being Korean is superior, and foreign specialists must be treated with respect.
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/200206/14/200206142349223599900090109011.html

Something else to consider:
Only a month ago up in Incheon, numerous teachers were arrested and deported on the spot who worked for an Education Department camp - others got large fines - it is worth adding the mistake in the paper work was the Education departments, but it was the foreigners who suffered.
Koreabridge Forums -> EFL Education -> EFL LAW -> Limits On Legal Income From Winter/summer Camps, Are there limits set by Immigration?
http://www.koreabridge.com/forums/index.php?showforum=22
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SuperHero



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 25, 2004 1:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Real Reality wrote:
SuperHero and Alex Buffa,

Any comments on my post?

I would comment but you never have anything intelligent to say in your posts. You just cut & paste. If you would like to actually say something of your own rather than quoting others than perhaps I would comment on what you have written.
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee



Joined: 25 May 2003

PostPosted: Fri Mar 26, 2004 6:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SuperHero wrote:
Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote:

Fact is you don't tell things the way they are.
What you say is close to an infomerical.


I tell things the way they, I only give the facts. And you are a extremely pessimistic person with no hope for a future and consequently try to bring everyone into your own distorted worldview.

Grow up, son.


No you don't know. Most universites will turn on their teachers. When it happens just depends on the in charge professor is. Or the policy of the administration at the time.

for more about this subject see this


http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/korea/viewtopic.php?t=14714&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15


Lots of people exagerate and you can see it when they are pressed on the details.


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