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Smee
Joined: 24 Dec 2004
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That does seem a bit high, and since we're not Yonhap subscribers I guess we can't see the rest of the article.
The Korea Times reported the next day that 5% of public school NSETs had breached their contracts and left early. The KT said that 425 out of 8,473 public school NSETs had left their contracts early. For the 34% to be right, that means a ton of hagwon teachers are quitting early. I've known a few runners, but that number seems high. |
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Smee
Joined: 24 Dec 2004
Location: Jeollanam-do
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| Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 12:31 pm Post subject: |
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| By the way, looking at the Korea Times article in comparison with the others, it looks like they're saying that roughly one-third of the teachers who left early did so within six months, not that one-third of all teachers left early. Again the statistics don't bear that 34% figure out, given that only 5% of public school teachers did so. |
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liveinkorea316
Joined: 20 Aug 2010
Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 2:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Hotwire wrote: |
If I wasn't dead broke when I got here, I would've ran to be honest.
Who here can honestly say if they had say 50,000 USD in the bank and debts paid off, no heck 25,000 USD in the bank and debts paid off - would you stay? Why? I'd have got here, thought 'well that's one country I've been to for a few moths but the job kinda sucks - where next?'
I wouldn't, don't love the job and am an alien in a foriegn culture and am trreated as such whatever...
I'm here for the easy set up, easy hours and coz well, I blew all my money gambling over the past 6 yrs and am too lazy to get a full 8 hr a day job.
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Some people actually want to stay here. Not just because of the money.
We actually make friends, committments, like the lifestyle, the opportunities for the future, meet lovers...
If you are constantly thinking about everything in terms of $...then no wonder you are always unhappy. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 3:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Hotwire wrote: |
If I wasn't dead broke when I got here, I would've ran to be honest.
Who here can honestly say if they had say 50,000 USD in the bank and debts paid off, no heck 25,000 USD in the bank and debts paid off - would you stay? Why?
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I can say that I would stay because I not only met your criteria but exceed it by a fair bit. So yes 100% certainly for the first question.
As for your second question (why?) it is simply that I enjoy it here. Though I am not fluent by any stretch of the imagination I am able to get around and make myself understood all in Korean 99% of the time. Also at work I do not have to put up with any of the office politics and B.S that I had to back home. And to be perfectly frank I enjoy teaching. And yes it is not too demanding. If one is not an absolute social moron one can easily maintain fair to good relations with one's co-teachers. Of course you run into the odd moron now and again...but as far as morons go it seems to be six of one and half-a-dozen of the other. |
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winterfall
Joined: 21 May 2009
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| Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 3:58 pm Post subject: |
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| oldfatfarang wrote: |
I know of 3 PS runners - one was my mate - who ran from SMOE after 3 months (2 years ago). He had 12 years teaching experience, DELTA, lived and taught in Europe, and he just couldn't stand the Korean public school system.
Another was a girl who ran in her first week in a Busan PS (this year).
My co-teacher told me that a teacher ran from another PS in our district (didn't say when).
These are only 3 examples, but I don't mix with the western TEFL community, so I'm sure there must be more runners from PS.
Oh, I forgot, in my first hagwon job I replaced a runner who left after 4 months. |
+1
I've known of about a dozen or so in ps. All dropped out in various times during the first 6 months. Not as highly qualified as old fat mentioned. But the highest was 5+ years of experience, CELTA, and Masters. Others pulled runners cause their administrators have no idea how to run a school, and loads dropped out during orientation when they didn't get the area or grade they wanted.
It's the hiring standards. Not only does it throw out qualifications but also avoids the whole character issue. You know how many fts I've met that never had a job? While they spent their college days partying, I was working doubles at burger king and I still got better grades than them. |
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Colorado
Joined: 18 Jan 2006
Location: Public School with too much time on my hands.
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| Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 4:25 pm Post subject: |
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It gets better:
http://english.hani.co.kr/kisa/section-014000000/home01.html
[News Briefing] Over half of native English teachers quit job after six months, Education Ministry says
The Ministry of Education, Science, and Technology(MEST) has claimed that around two thirds of native-speaking English teachers in South Korea quit after six months on the job because of employment or studies, through a report on Sept. 29.
The report submitted by the MEST to the ruling Grand National Party lawmakers showed that as of July 2010, 66.1 percent of native English teachers ended their contract in six months, without completing their one-year contract period. The number of teachers leaving their job halfway through a contract has increased rapidly from 46 percent in 2008 and 57.6 percent in 2009. The average rate over last three years is 56.4 percent, which means one of two native teachers left school before the contract�s expiration. |
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Colorado
Joined: 18 Jan 2006
Location: Public School with too much time on my hands.
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| Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 4:30 pm Post subject: |
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| why let facts get in the way of a good story? |
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liveinkorea316
Joined: 20 Aug 2010
Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 4:48 pm Post subject: |
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This is a direct quote from the Korea Herald:
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| Some 950 teachers, or 4.7 percent, cancelled their employment contract in mid-semester within the first year and 34 percent among them (as of this July) quit during their first six months, according to the survey. |
So the other papers were misleading. The actual figures are much better than they thought. |
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sulperman
Joined: 14 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 4:58 pm Post subject: |
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What are there, 20,000 E-2s out there? Of which 8,500 are PS?
So if 5% of PS teachers leave early, and 66% of all teachers, public and private leave early, then more than 100% of hagwon teachers are leaving early?
News to me. |
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AsiaESLbound
Joined: 07 Jan 2010
Location: Truck Stop Missouri
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| Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 5:28 pm Post subject: |
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| liveinkorea316 wrote: |
This is a direct quote from the Korea Herald:
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| Some 950 teachers, or 4.7 percent, cancelled their employment contract in mid-semester within the first year and 34 percent among them (as of this July) quit during their first six months, according to the survey. |
So the other papers were misleading. The actual figures are much better than they thought. |
Yes, it would actually be about 1.5% quitting during their first six months. They are saying 34% of the 4.7% who are quitters are quitting before they have finished 6 months; it's not 34% of everyone here quitting. |
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liveinkorea316
Joined: 20 Aug 2010
Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 7:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Another problem raised by the lawmaker was that the majority of native English teachers lack teaching certificates. Less than 30 percent of them have teaching licenses from their home countries in some regions including Ulsan and North Gyeongsang Province. |
That was said by a Lawmaker in the Korean Government.
Think think he is a true idiot. I mean, an actual idiot.
Assistant teachers in any country do not need to be certified because they are merely ASSISTING the credentialled teacher who is in the classroom at all times. Korean assistant teachers do not need to have credentials. Their education school students do time in classrooms and they are not 'credentialled'. Same in every country.
It is earily similar to that Busan lady who made the statements on teacher Evaluation. These are two political animals feeding their constiutants the garbage they want to hear so they can keep their position.
Maybe some people will sit down and actually look at the issues properly and think of some more thought out comments and practical solutions.
But I doubt anyone will. |
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Junior
Joined: 18 Nov 2005
Location: the eye
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| Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 8:14 am Post subject: |
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| Another problem raised by the lawmaker was that the majority of native English teachers lack teaching certificates. |
Thats because Koreans only hire young, inexperienced americans every time. Teachers with certificates get weeded out in the application process.
Sorry but Korea has gotten way too ridiculous to even consider anymore. It used to be tolerable, but the saturated market has allowed their illogical stupidity to reach full bloom. |
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Wishmaster
Joined: 06 Feb 2003
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| Yep, imagine if Korea actually had any clout or power over people. Imagine how they would treat people. Hell, look at anyone from SE Asian and how they are treated. They would impose their stupidity and demand that you just accept it. Like I said, I'm surprised that there are any newbies that actually stick around these days considering how the abuses seem to be growing. |
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dkteachlife
Joined: 24 Dec 2010
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Actually, Hotwire, I meet your criteria. Why am I still here in Korea? I guess part of the reason is that I can leave whenever I want. I don't need Korea and that actually works to my favor because it feels good knowing that I could up and relocate wherever and wouldn't have a bunch of other factors to deal with. It is those who are pretty much forced to stay in Korea because they are poor and in debt that often have a great deal of difficulty. Why? Because they NEED Korea. They have to stay here to pay of their monstrous student loan or don't have a pot to piss in back home and so have no choice. It is having a choice and control of your life that make living in Korea a breeze. I could pick up tomorrow and fly home and start over and still be in great shape financially. Of course, it also helps that I have an easy job with low working hours and a nice apartment. But I've been in Korea awhile and have paid my dues. But even so, despite how good my situation is, I could give it up and I would be fine. There is no cloud of debt over my head. There is not a bank account showing $0 which would force me to give control to my employer in Korea. I work for myself here. Even though I work for an employer, the truth is that I work for myself and I can leave it anytime that I want. And it is then when you truly can tolerate all the idiosyncracies of Korea and laugh it off because you have the freedom to leave whereas most have to grind it out.
It is this personal freedom that makes Korea work for me. I don't need Korea. |
Well Said. Keep it in perspective and irritations really seem small. We American are so in-cultured to want control and entitled for instant gratification it is really understandable why so many especially young teachers run. Character is not built in avoiding difficulty culture or crazy bosses. |
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dkteachlife
Joined: 24 Dec 2010
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| Wishmaster wrote: |
Actually, Hotwire, I meet your criteria. Why am I still here in Korea? I guess part of the reason is that I can leave whenever I want. I don't need Korea and that actually works to my favor because it feels good knowing that I could up and relocate wherever and wouldn't have a bunch of other factors to deal with. It is those who are pretty much forced to stay in Korea because they are poor and in debt that often have a great deal of difficulty. Why? Because they NEED Korea. They have to stay here to pay of their monstrous student loan or don't have a pot to piss in back home and so have no choice. It is having a choice and control of your life that make living in Korea a breeze. I could pick up tomorrow and fly home and start over and still be in great shape financially. Of course, it also helps that I have an easy job with low working hours and a nice apartment. But I've been in Korea awhile and have paid my dues. But even so, despite how good my situation is, I could give it up and I would be fine. There is no cloud of debt over my head. There is not a bank account showing $0 which would force me to give control to my employer in Korea. I work for myself here. Even though I work for an employer, the truth is that I work for myself and I can leave it anytime that I want. And it is then when you truly can tolerate all the idiosyncracies of Korea and laugh it off because you have the freedom to leave whereas most have to grind it out.
It is this personal freedom that makes Korea work for me. I don't need Korea. |
Well Said. Keep it in perspective and irritations really seem small. We American are so in-cultured to want control and entitled for instant gratification it is really understandable why so many especially young teachers run. Character is not built in avoiding difficulty culture or crazy bosses. |
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