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It seems as if getting to Korea is a challenge it itself.
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bharville



Joined: 07 Aug 2010

PostPosted: Sun Oct 03, 2010 2:49 pm    Post subject: It seems as if getting to Korea is a challenge it itself. Reply with quote

I sent all my paperwork in about a month ago.
    State background check with Apostille
    Notarized copy of Degree
    Contract
    Passport Photos
    Health Form
    Photocopy of Passport
    Resume
    Transcripts


My recruiter never told me that I needed to have an apostille for the copy of my degree, so I had to take off of work and make a special trip to the state capital for that coveted sticker. I don't see the point seeing as they have a copy of a degree as well as transcripts, but who am I to question immigration's policies? The lady in the office smiled, stapled the apostille paper to the copy of my degree, and sent me on my way.

Five days later my recruiter calls to tell me that she has my form and expresses concern that immigration may reject my background check because, unlike my degree copy, my background check doesn't have its apostille stapled to the form.

Rolling Eyes

I'll play the waiting the game and see what happens. I do have a federal background check en route to DC at this moment so that it can be authenticated. I went ahead and applied for both a federal and state background check, since beginning Jan 1st, 2011, immigration will be requiring those. But if something as minor as the aforementioned really does cause me to be rejected, maybe I'll just go to China.
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Sun Oct 03, 2010 3:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Without the apostille on the CRC it will not be accepted by immigration.

Make sure you get an apostille on your FBI check too.

China is always an option and the paperwork is simple compared to Korea but there is still the paperwork to be done if you want a work visa anywhere.

If you think Korea is a pain in the butt, you should see what people have to go through to get a work visa for the USA. That is a paperwork nightmare.

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winterfall



Joined: 21 May 2009

PostPosted: Sun Oct 03, 2010 3:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are you asking for advice or is this just a gripe post? I'm not trying to be snippy. But everyone teaching in Korea has gone through the same thing and every time you change jobs you've gotta do it all over again. Though IMO you should change recruiters, doesn't sound like this one knows what he / she is doing / isn't organized. Its a good sign you'll end up with a crap position later
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bharville



Joined: 07 Aug 2010

PostPosted: Sun Oct 03, 2010 3:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm sure the US is probably the worst when it comes to paperwork. It's a hassle to do everything, even the mundane tasks like signing employment documents to reapplying for a SS Card.

I did send an apostille with it, but my recruiter seems to think that since I didn't staple the sheet with the apostille to the actual background check, immigration might become confused. I don't see what the issue is, but then again, I'm not a government worker.

Edit: It's a gripe. Just felt like sharing it.

I would like to visit China at some point. I've lived with a Chinese family in San Francisco for a while, they were immigrants from Shanghai, and I did develop an extreme respect and love for Chinese culture. I would like to try Korea first though. I can't really say why, but I have been somewhat fascinated with Korea.
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Big Mac



Joined: 17 Sep 2005

PostPosted: Sun Oct 03, 2010 6:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you sent the apostille with it and the only problem is that it is not stapled to the sheet, then why don't you ask your recruiter to staple it for you? Problem solved.
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sulperman



Joined: 14 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Sun Oct 03, 2010 7:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Things were 50 times easier even just 3 years ago. If you had a degree and transcripts sitting at home in your bedroom you could apply and have a job two days later and be on your way to Korea a few days after that. Or you could just fly here on your own dime and find work. Ah, progress.
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bharville



Joined: 07 Aug 2010

PostPosted: Sun Oct 03, 2010 7:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Big Mac wrote:
If you sent the apostille with it and the only problem is that it is not stapled to the sheet, then why don't you ask your recruiter to staple it for you? Problem solved.


One would think so, but if that were the case I probably wouldn't be here complaining.
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Big Mac



Joined: 17 Sep 2005

PostPosted: Sun Oct 03, 2010 7:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have you suggested it to your recruiter?

Common sense does not prevail in Korea. They might not think of something as simple as that, believe it or not.
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imoscardotcom



Joined: 01 Sep 2010

PostPosted: Sun Oct 03, 2010 8:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

it is weird that the apostille wasn't stapled to the cbc in the first place. I know that taking the staple out invalidates the document. The document is never supposed to be separated from the apostille. but if it was never stapled in the first place...I'd just ask the recruiter to go ahead and do it.
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bharville



Joined: 07 Aug 2010

PostPosted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 5:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

imoscardotcom wrote:
it is weird that the apostille wasn't stapled to the cbc in the first place. I know that taking the staple out invalidates the document. The document is never supposed to be separated from the apostille. but if it was never stapled in the first place...I'd just ask the recruiter to go ahead and do it.


Wow, did not know that. So it appears that someone at the Secretary of State office was off their game when they mailed me back the apostille.

Still, I hope she is smart enough to just staple the document. I sent her an E-Mail just now.
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djg11002323



Joined: 19 Jan 2010

PostPosted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 5:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The hoop-jumping does not end even after you are here. I have been working here since March 2010. Ready to get the ball rolling on contract extension and now have to get FBI check and copy of degree authenticated. FBI check, OK I can understand that, everyone else has to have a national CBC. The copy of degree thing is a bit strange considering just 7 months ago they had sealed copies of my transcripts and my original diploma. In the end though it is what it is and I am an alien. Laughing Enjoy Korea I sure do!
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northway



Joined: 05 Jul 2010

PostPosted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 5:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

djg11002323 wrote:
The hoop-jumping does not end even after you are here. I have been working here since March 2010. Ready to get the ball rolling on contract extension and now have to get FBI check and copy of degree authenticated. FBI check, OK I can understand that, everyone else has to have a national CBC. The copy of degree thing is a bit strange considering just 7 months ago they had sealed copies of my transcripts and my original diploma. In the end though it is what it is and I am an alien. Laughing Enjoy Korea I sure do!


I'm pretty sure if you have your degree verified by the KCUE you're permanently in the system as having a degree, which would be a lot better than the previous system of having to get your docs every year. Just tell your current employer to do it and that you'll cover the fee (30,000 or something).
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Junior



Joined: 18 Nov 2005
Location: the eye

PostPosted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 7:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

northway wrote:

I'm pretty sure if you have your degree verified by the KCUE you're permanently in the system.


I doubt it. There is no system, there is no database. And no organisation.
I think I've probably had my degree and transcripts verified by the authorities about 16 times in the past 8 years. They've been promising to keep a record all that time but they never did. Any documents they recieve end up in the bin. Surprising for such a technologically advanced nation.

Any regulations they make up will be changed within a few months again.

-They used to require a minimum 3yr degree, then it was a 4 yr degree, then they changed back to 3.
-They used to not require transcripts, then they did, then they changed back again.
-They used to require a notarised degree copy: then they wanted the original, then they changed back to a notarised copy then changed to an apostille.
-They used to require no CBC, then a notarised local CBC, then a national apostilled one.
-Documents used to be valid for 1 yr after notarisation: then it was 3 months, then they changed it to 6 months.

It goes on and on. There are some teats in K-immigration making changes just for the sake of being seen to be working and "clamping down" on foreigners to appease the Korean public.
The only valid change they could really introduce would be to require a TEFL certificate. But they won't..because they're mainly interested in appearance.


Bharville wrote:
But if something as minor as the aforementioned really does cause me to be rejected, maybe I'll just go to China.


No matter how many documents you have, it is a gamble wether or not you will be accepted-because it is down to the individual immigration officer on the day. And they're as confused as everyone else is.
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bharville



Joined: 07 Aug 2010

PostPosted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 7:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very true. While I understand that it's their country and their rules, it's frustrating to know that all that work and time spent with the background check and apostille may be invalidated because someone forgot to staple a document. If anything, it�s a mistake to learn from. Had I known that an apostille had to be stapled to the document, I�d corrected this problem before I FedEx�d the forms.

If only things were that simple. Sigh.
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Hotwire



Joined: 29 Aug 2010
Location: Multiverse

PostPosted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 7:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow op, things have changed.

i'm not trying to show off or nothing but back in 2003 even when my visa app number (back in the days of the blue piece of paper) showed up 2 days late - the recruiter gave the immi team a box of donuts and some scotch and b4 I knew it I was in Japan getting that new visa.

Times be a changing Bob, ol pal...
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