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ozweego4288
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 Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 9:02 pm Post subject: Switching Schools...How?! |
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| I have been working at my school for 2 months now and am not happy. I want to transfer to another school but I don't know if this is possible. I understand I would need a letter of release from the school which would require a 30 day notice. Other than that, I have an impression that I have to be at my school for 6 months before I can get that letter. Is this true? What about Visas, would I have to get a new visa to teach at a new school? Basicly, is it at all possible for me to switch schools in the next month or two? Thanks! |
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tanklor1
Joined: 13 Jun 2006
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| Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 9:05 pm Post subject: |
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| What are your problems with the school? They may be normal problems that you'd run into anywhere here. |
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ozweego4288
Joined: 22 Aug 2010
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| Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 9:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Part of it is my bosses are just stressful to work with and they are making many stupid demands. Not sitting for 7 classes in a row, not talking about anything personal with our co-workers, etc. The other part is I want to move closer to my friends in a city next door. |
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tanklor1
Joined: 13 Jun 2006
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| Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 9:22 pm Post subject: |
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Ohhh ok. Those complaints aren't actually that bad.
Standing in class just looks better in a hogwan. If a teacher tends to sit the student tells their mom and the mom complains leading the management to tell all of the teachers to not stand. Pretty typical actually.
Next: I'm guessing you're referring to Korean co-workers. It shows the difference on Western and Korean culture. If I were you I'd keep chit-chat lite on the surface. Your co-workers are more likely to open up when they've downed a few sojus. |
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Otherside
Joined: 06 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 9:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Other than that, I have an impression that I have to be at my school for 6 months before I can get that letter. |
I've heard both 6 and 9 months as figures, for how long you need to have been at your job before immigration will allow you to transfer your visa. In my experience, neither was the case, and I was able to do it after about 5 months. This was a few years back, and things may have changed.
You do know, that your school is under NO OBLIGATION WHATSOEVER to give you the letter of release. Assuming your school is willing to give you the LoR, you can expect the following: 1. They'll demand you pay your airfare back (and as you are an in-country hire for your next job, they won't give you airfare money, so write that ~1mill off). 2. You will most likely forfeit any housing deposit you paid, so write another 500-600k off. 3. They may charge you for the recruiting fees, so potentially write off another 1mill. This adds up to about 2.5m, so you can assume you wont be seeing any part of your last month's salary (You aren't really able to fight this, the airfare is written into the contract, and other the parts, well they are holding your salary and your release letter).
Assuming you can make the transition to another job seamlessly, it will be 2 months until you get paid (1 month salary forfeit, then have to work a month at job #2 before you get paid there), and after only being here 2 months, have you built up the bank-roll to ride this out? There's always a chance, that it won't be seamless, and you may spend a couple of weeks between jobs not working, thus making it an even bigger loss.
Honestly, while your complaints are legitimate, they are by no means deal-breakers, and if you've spoken to people or read these boards, you'll know that there are far worse jobs out there. Right now, the job market is extremely tight and good jobs are very hard to find, even the average to poor jobs aren't that easy to get at the moment. My advice would be to think this through and make sure it's a move you want to make. Even if you can pull everything off, take the financial hit and land a job where you want, there's no guarantee that job will be any better, and it's very possible that it may be a lot worse! |
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ozweego4288
Joined: 22 Aug 2010
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| Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 10:25 pm Post subject: |
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| thanks ofr your help! I'll probably just stick it out. I just wanted to know what my options were. I appreciate the heads up and the bottom line of everything...i needed to hear it! |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 10:32 pm Post subject: Re: Switching Schools...How?! |
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| ozweego4288 wrote: |
| I have been working at my school for 2 months now and am not happy. I want to transfer to another school but I don't know if this is possible. I understand I would need a letter of release from the school which would require a 30 day notice. Other than that, I have an impression that I have to be at my school for 6 months before I can get that letter. Is this true? What about Visas, would I have to get a new visa to teach at a new school? Basicly, is it at all possible for me to switch schools in the next month or two? Thanks! |
Short answer is that you cannot transfer to a new job.
IF you are at a hagwan your ONLY option at this point is to leave the country, cancel your visa on the way out (hand in your ARC if you have one).
Return to Korea and begin the search for your new job.
You WILL need a complete set of new documents including (unless you are Canadian):
copy of your degree with an apostille
A NATIONAL CRC (FBI if you are American) with apostille
(if you are Canadian you will need K-embassy certified copies of your degree and CRC).
After you find your new job you then make another trip to Japan and get a new E2 to begin work.
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RMNC
Joined: 21 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 11:00 pm Post subject: |
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Sit/lean on the desk when you need a break and don't let your boss catch you talking about personal stuff. It seems pretty simple to me, but if you added some details/stories I think we'd be able to give you a better idea on how to fix these problems.
Don't forget, often just smiling and nodding is good enough to get them to go away and you can go back to what you were doing. |
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le-paul
Joined: 07 Apr 2009
Location: dans la chambre
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| Posted: Tue Oct 05, 2010 1:55 am Post subject: |
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what ttompatz said is quite a bit wrong.
If you find a recruiter/school that will help you transfer all you need to do is get a 'letter of release' from your present employer. After that � you cancel your visa at immi.
When you�ve done this, you�ll have up to 6 weeks (sometimes more I think�) to leave the country.
when you finish your job you (legally) have 14 days to tell immigration of the change in your status and loss of your sponsor.
They will give you 30 days from your last date of employment to find a new employer (and make your visa run) or leave the country.
IF you don't inform immigration then you have 14 days from your last date of employment to leave Korea without paperwork (I nicked this from another thread for the times etc. - thanks!)
Anyway, so your going to Japan on a visa run, then you hand in your arc on the way out.
You then apply for a new E2 visa for your new job an dcollect it. But you can still usually use your same police clearance etc. (i have done that twice) for all the other stuff.
The system is a bit of a mess here so one person at immi. will probably tell you something different from the next. Best to let recruiters sort all that crap out.
I would say though, be careful doing this before 6 months because although schools have no legal right to your airfare/recruiters fee - they will demand it and if you dont pay up - it could get difficult - eg they refuse to give you your pay/release letter.
i definatley agree with this...
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| often just smiling and nodding is good enough to get them to go away and you can go back to what you were doing. |
but remember - its new and difficult but it will get better once you get your life together and get settled in 
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Tue Oct 05, 2010 2:06 am Post subject: |
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| le-paul wrote: |
what ttompatz said is quite a bit wrong.
If you find a recruiter/school that will help you transfer all you need to do is get a 'letter of release' from your present employer. After that � you cancel your visa at immi.
When you�ve done this, you�ll have up to 6 weeks (sometimes more I think�) to leave the country.You hand in your arc on the way out.
People usually go to Japan to get the new visa issued on their passport.You then apply for a new E2 visa for your new job but you can still usually use your same police clearance etc. (i have done that twice) for all the other stuff.
The system is a bit of a mess here so one person at immi. will probably tell you something different from the next. Best to let recruiters sort all that crap out.
I would say though, be careful doing this before 6 months because although schools have no legal right to your airfare/recruiters fee - they will demand it and if you dont pay up - it could get difficult - eg they refuse to give you your pay/release letter.
i definatley agree with this...
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| often just smiling and nodding is good enough to get them to go away and you can go back to what you were doing. |
but remember - its new and difficult but it will get better once you get your life together and get settled in |
You can't transfer before the 6 month mark (there are a few exceptions but this does not appear to be one of them).
If the visa is canceled you can't transfer.
If you transfer (with a LOR) you have to be sure the visa isn't canceled.
You are DEAD wrong.
Be sure of what you are saying before you open your keyboard.
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le-paul
Joined: 07 Apr 2009
Location: dans la chambre
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| Posted: Tue Oct 05, 2010 2:09 am Post subject: |
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sorry dude, but ive done transfered my job twice in the last 5 years - last time 2009 (and my mate did it last week).
Both times I didnt need new evidence.
I would say though (just in case weve got crossed wires here)
i DID have to cancel my E2 visa and get a new one in Japan.
But i didnt need all my evidence all over again - everything was transferred over.
and I certainly didnt have to leave the country immediatley or before I started my new job search. |
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tanklor1
Joined: 13 Jun 2006
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| Posted: Tue Oct 05, 2010 6:03 am Post subject: |
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| le-paul wrote: |
sorry dude, but ive done transfered my job twice in the last 5 years - last time 2009 (and my mate did it last week).
Both times I didnt need new evidence.
I would say though (just in case weve got crossed wires here)
i DID have to cancel my E2 visa and get a new one in Japan.
But i didnt need all my evidence all over again - everything was transferred over.
and I certainly didnt have to leave the country immediatley or before I started my new job search. |
These two sentences cancel each other out. |
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madkisso
Joined: 16 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Tue Oct 05, 2010 5:16 pm Post subject: |
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Is this the same for an F-4 visa? Can you transfer without a LoR if you have an F-4 visa?
Thanks |
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le-paul
Joined: 07 Apr 2009
Location: dans la chambre
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| Posted: Tue Oct 05, 2010 10:03 pm Post subject: |
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| tanklor1 wrote: |
| le-paul wrote: |
sorry dude, but ive done transfered my job twice in the last 5 years - last time 2009 (and my mate did it last week).
Both times I didnt need new evidence.
I would say though (just in case weve got crossed wires here)
i DID have to cancel my E2 visa and get a new one in Japan.
But i didnt need all my evidence all over again - everything was transferred over.
and I certainly didnt have to leave the country immediatley or before I started my new job search. |
These two sentences cancel each other out. |
sorry, what i meant was that I had to cancel my existing E2 visa before starting a new job. In the meantime I had (in my case) 20 days before I had to leave korea on the end of my current visa.
I was arguing against the point that
"the ONLY option at this point is to leave the country, cancel your visa on the way out".
I was pointing out that that isnt entirely accurate as you do have a window.
I was in a hurry when I wrote that, so thanks for pointing out my mistake. |
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InDaGu
Joined: 28 Jun 2010
Location: Cebu City, Philippines
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| Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 4:57 am Post subject: |
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| le-paul wrote: |
sorry dude, but ive done transfered my job twice in the last 5 years - last time 2009 (and my mate did it last week).
Both times I didnt need new evidence.
I would say though (just in case weve got crossed wires here)
i DID have to cancel my E2 visa and get a new one in Japan.
But i didnt need all my evidence all over again - everything was transferred over.
and I certainly didnt have to leave the country immediatley or before I started my new job search. |
ttompatz is exactly right.
What you are talking about is not a transfer.
That's simply canceling your visa and getting a new one.
Transferring means transferring the sponsorship of your visa and not getting a new one. And coming from someone who has done it, you do have to be 6 months in. |
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