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RufusW · Joined: 14 Jun 2008 Location: Busan

Not only do immigrants do jobs the native population won't and benefit the economy, multiculturalism advances civilization.

Ethnicity, religion, skin-colour: it'll all fade away in the end.

mises · Joined: 05 Nov 2007 Location: retired

There are some things money can�t buy. For everything else, there�s Master Card

Hotwire · Joined: 29 Aug 2010 Location: Multiverse

Happy Warrior sets up a picture of the UK as ethinc and the US as a melting pot immigrant nation. Isn't the US to a huge extent insitutionally run by WASPS (White ANGLO , SAXON protestants.)

Anyway not like it's a competion or anything 'ooh my country is more of an immigrant nation than yours' but it's a tad irking that ACTUAL history is being ignored, ie the long history of Jewish immigration to the UK, the French, Danes, Irish, Ities (hee hee) and the more recent African Carribean, Italians, Indian, Pakistani, Singapore and Chinese.... Kind of like the US on a small scale.

If actual history is not enough to convince a poster - than what is?!

No, the UK wasn't created literally by migrants from another continent swarming another on masse and taking it over, but the UK does have a long history of immigration and assimilation.

mises · Joined: 05 Nov 2007 Location: retired

The Happy Warrior · Joined: 10 Feb 2010

*sigh*

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demography_of_England

England is 83% British in ethnicity. That is the leading group in England.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_groups_in_the_United_States

America is 15% German in ethnicity. That is the leading group in America.

In other words, the percentage of the leading group in America is approximately the percentage of all the minorities in England.

If you look back at the 1790 census, you'll see that even then it was barely a majority British country (adding English to Scots-Irish).

Yeah, I'm safe saying England is an ethnic country with healthy trends of immigration by comparison.

On the other hand · Joined: 19 Apr 2003 Location: I walk along the avenue

Oh, one thing. Am I the only one who was skeptical of the stats supposedly demonstrating that there were no "assault rapes" commited by native-born ethnic Norwegians in Oslo between 2007 and 2009? That in other words, without immigration, Oslo would be 100% rape-free?

I suppose it's possible, maybe Scandanavia really does live up to its reputation as a feminist-friendly social utopia. Still, something about the claim just doesn't sound entirely believable.

Also: What is meant by the term "assault rape"? Is it meant to distinguish the crime from, say, statuatory rape? Or does it mean that the assailant rapes the victim, and also physically assaults her in some other way? Or...

Big_Bird · Posted: Tue Oct 05, 2010 8:12 pm Post subject:

Big_Bird · Posted: Tue Oct 05, 2010 8:36 pm Post subject:

Summer Wine · Joined: 20 Mar 2005 Location: Next to a River

I have to agree with Happy Warrior in the argument that multiculturalism is about the accepting of many cultures in one area. Sort of a mini world as it were. The problem is that when you try to give all cultures even standing, which do you adopt or give up?

If numbers rise then one culture becomes more dominant and supercedes the other cultures. Its possible for demographics to shift removing the original culture all together.

If the aim is to have one inclusive culture and a multi ethnic population than that is one goal that is workable. To try and give all cultullkres equal standing can fail as it doesn't allow for integration in any meaningful way.

To see multiculturalism in its most pristine form, we just need to look at the world today. Think of it as one country with many different cultures all vying for thier piece of land and ideas. Its a clusterfuck, which is why globalism was being promoted.

Its the idea that if we mix all cultures with one goal then we will end up with a global community. Its not working so well, the muslims aren't too interested to give up thier culture and adopt liberalism in many cases. Chinas cultural growth is leading into nationalism, its also starting to occur in my own country with increasing numbers of Chinese starting to desire not only cultural changes, but also political based on thier past ethnic cultural countries whims.

If you wish to create a unified country then you have to give all of them a culture to believe in, a political, social culture that includes all. It may in fact remove or destroy the original culture in the making. In the USAs case, they have the constitution to use as a binding motive for others to fall in for and they have adopted other cultures into it.

For Europe, it has to decide what culture it is deeming neccesary for its future. Other cultures need to adopt into that, this may mean that the government will start promoting some of thier original cultures into the overarching national culture, but also at the same time ending other cultures beliefs that are negative.

Can this work, well it seems that was the original goal of many in Europe and it is looking like a failure. The reason could be seen as dependence on multiculturalism over a one culture multiethnic state.

The problem is that the changes are occuring too fast, they need to be done over a number of years so the nations culture adopts the good and weeds out the negative. In my countries case, ethnic Chinese who are 3rd or 4th generation are being told that they are weak and subservient as they consider themselves a citizen of the country culturally, while new Chinese immigrants are demanding that they adopt Chinese cultural traditions as China is a growing power house and will overtake our countries culture in the future.

Its this that creates disputes, in that one group of people are ethnic but have adopted a unified culture with thier neighbors but are now being forced into being seen as different by new immigrants entering a country and demanding certain cultures to remain the same.

It is a massively complex issue and one that is not being fully discussed as the politicians are frightened of being accused of being called racist and this having an impact on trade. The problem is that this lack of discussion is allowing more extreme views and leaders to take up the role and force certain changes to occur. This can have very negative consequences and it is an issue that needs to be dealt with.

Now while this is daves and not a forum for discussing grownup issues. Its seen by the number of changes occuring and the growing backlash by mainstream as an issue that needs to be discussed by the educated. So long as its only the extremists at each end that are acting now its workable, if the mainstream is not given direction they will follow whoever has the answers.

Its good to discuss these issues as educated and controlled people, as its safer to discuss it now then later.

Summer Wine · Joined: 20 Mar 2005 Location: Next to a River

(sorry guys, slow computer load). It seems I posted twice.

Big_Bird · Posted: Tue Oct 05, 2010 8:51 pm Post subject:

Oh dammit. I just destroyed an earlier post by hitting the edit function instead of the quote function.

Sigh

Hotwire · Joined: 29 Aug 2010 Location: Multiverse

El Exigente · Joined: 10 Sep 2010

bigverne · Joined: 12 May 2004

stilicho25 · Joined: 05 Apr 2010

Ha! judging from the girl with the dragon tattoo the sexual assault problem is is 1. sadistic lawyers, 2. crazy rich scions of ancient wealthy families 2. Wild young Swedes acting like Vikings.

In all honesty, I have i do believe those stats. When you have 4 million well educated, urbane somewhat old swedes, and the add 50,000 3rd world peasants you are going to have problems.