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20 years since the reunification of Germany
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mises



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 05, 2010 5:29 am    Post subject: 20 years since the reunification of Germany Reply with quote

Photo Gallery: East Germany's Transformation

http://www.spiegel.de/fotostrecke/fotostrecke-59943.html
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bucheon bum



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 05, 2010 5:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting photos, thanks for posting. I didn't realize E. Germany was that decripit.
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misher



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 05, 2010 7:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

and yet die Mauer ist immer noch im Kopf.

The East is rife with unemployment and believes the West to be pretentious elitist snots. The West views the East as the unemployed welfare sucker that is dragging the country down in flames.

Although the situation isn't entirely the same, for this reason the stupid netizens that think Korea will be back to full strength when they are reunited with their "brethren" are on crack. There will be discrimination for generations. THe younger generation of South Koreans wants nothing to do with the North nor sees any connection with it even though they are "min jok."

Sorry for the rant.
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mises



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 05, 2010 8:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

East and West Germany are not equal in development. Much more time must pass before that is possible. However, 20 years later, the accomplishments are dramatic.

I believe that reunification between the ROK and DPRK will be much less painless than most assume. They are a smart, hard working people with a competent government (in the South). The ROK went from bombed out cities and hungry people to the incredible, wealthy and technologically advanced nation it is today in a shockingly short period of time. There will be problems of course. If anybody can do it, the Koreans can.
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comm



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 05, 2010 10:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

misher wrote:
The younger generation of South Koreans wants nothing to do with the North nor sees any connection with it even though they are "min jok."


I get that impression as well... China needs to let the North collapse and reunify. South Korea's next generation of leaders may have no interest in dealing with the North and at that point it will be China and Russia dealing with a failed state on their borders, while SK simply keeps the DMZ locked down as it always has.
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caniff



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 05, 2010 11:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

comm wrote:
misher wrote:
The younger generation of South Koreans wants nothing to do with the North nor sees any connection with it even though they are "min jok."


I get that impression as well... China needs to let the North collapse and reunify. South Korea's next generation of leaders may have no interest in dealing with the North and at that point it will be China and Russia dealing with a failed state on their borders, while SK simply keeps the DMZ locked down as it always has.


North Korea provides China and Russia with a buffer against the U.S. and her allies (the conventional thinking runs).
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jvalmer



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 05, 2010 1:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A stable unified Korean peninsula would benefit everyone. However, what might happen in between a divided and unified Korea is what scares China and Japan the most. I don't think the Chinese are too concerned with a token American presence in Korea. What they don't want is people crossing their borders, rogue NK generals and the chaos associated with a power vacuum.

I still think unification inevitable. Question is when and how it will occur.
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caniff



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 05, 2010 1:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jvalmer wrote:
I don't think the Chinese are too concerned with a token American presence in Korea.


They're probably paying for a bunch of it anyway, so what the hell.
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shinramyun



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 05, 2010 1:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

caniff wrote:

North Korea provides China and Russia with a buffer against the U.S. and her allies (the conventional thinking runs).

Russia doesn't care about US as they did 10 years ago. They are much more concerned about growing china threat right next to their border. But china in other hand, is a different story.
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rollo



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 6:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The U.s. presence in Korea and Japan guarantees Japans security and means that the Japanese do not have to rearm and that pleases the Chinese greatly. also it please the Japanese because they dont have the burden of a giant military budget. The reunification of Korea !! Please! China needs the U.s. presence. North Korea serves as a buffer and a way of poking at the U.s. If reunified would be subject to Chinese domination. Historically this is something that Japan will not tolerate as the Japanese see the Korean pennisula as an arrow aimed at the heart of Japan. Also and this is very important North Korea gives the Chinese a portal to interdict Russian and Japanese shipping lanes if nessacary. Big Big changes going on in the North , China is reporting that Kim Jong Il is ready to step aside for his son.
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BoholDiver



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 6:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I once read a post on here. It was very well written, and I believe it to be the truth.

If they reunited, NK men and SK women would be the big losers. SK men would love to marry NK women. They would do as they're told, and not worry about how much money he has in the bank, or if he can afford the newest Samsung fridge and car. SK women would be largely left out.

NK men would be good for nothing except laborors and cannon fodder.
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cert43



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 10, 2010 10:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Misher is right.
The reunifcation of West and East Germany is not a similer comparision
to North and South Korea, as the Untermenschen
Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei!!!
Lebensunwertes Leben was long gone by 1951.
Think about the bioligical warfare of the Jews in 1931.

Russians' never have and will never want a "Nazi Regime". They were full supporters of a Marxist Socialist economy all along and the Germans rejected this viewpoint right through the Frankfurt Declaration rejecting the "social communism" that all these Russians leaders ( Stalin and Lenin)so supported.
( Владимир Ильич Ульянов)

The fall of "Eastern Eurpoean Iron Curtain" was bascially the Germans attempt to take out all this so called "Russian Communism"that was established in the Soviet Union, China and the rest of Eastern Europe.If the West splits again, your're not going to have this awful 'Communist" dicatorship that Germans have been refering to for over 100 years.

How does this relate to Korea?

Why do you think South Korea has been a fully socialist economic system since 1950?The ROK economy only succeeded becasue of American Military Presence.
Otherwise it is very likely that they would still be under the North Korean ( or Chinese) Regime . Look at thier currency! Who's face is on the won?

China will never stop supporting North Korea. They don't want democracy (socialism) of any kind.

If S.K. reunfies with the North;where do you think this socialist economy would go to? It certaintly won't stay very democratic in context, will it?

What do you think the term Korean "red devils" represents? I'll give you a hint
It's goes back to(Владимир Ильич Ульянов).


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pkang0202



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 10, 2010 9:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BoholDiver wrote:
I once read a post on here. It was very well written, and I believe it to be the truth.

If they reunited, NK men and SK women would be the big losers. SK men would love to marry NK women. They would do as they're told, and not worry about how much money he has in the bank, or if he can afford the newest Samsung fridge and car. SK women would be largely left out.

NK men would be good for nothing except laborors and cannon fodder.



I don't think so. You gotta remember that Korean parents control their children, even through adulthood. You honestly think some Korean Ajumma is going to let their precious 25 year old son marry a poor, uneducated, unskilled North Korean woman?

The well off South Korean men will continue to date South Korean women. It will be the poor South Korean men who will benefit most from marrying North Korean women.


Either way, reunification will bring major social upheaval. South Koreans will be 1st class citizens, and North Koreans will be looked upon as "lesser". It will take GENERATIONS before everything is normalized. Even still, there will be many problems.
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Hotwire



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 12:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BoholDiver wrote:
I once read a post on here. It was very well written, and I believe it to be the truth.

If they reunited, NK men and SK women would be the big losers. SK men would love to marry NK women. They would do as they're told, and not worry about how much money he has in the bank, or if he can afford the newest Samsung fridge and car. SK women would be largely left out.

NK men would be good for nothing except laborors and cannon fodder.


Leaving lots of single SK women for ESL teachers! Very Happy
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ThingsComeAround



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 12:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hotwire wrote:

Leaving lots of single SK women for ESL teachers! Very Happy


Yes
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